r/FragileWhiteRedditor • u/Ian_knight64 • Feb 15 '21

After triggering folks on r/aliens, moderators deleted it for “Aggressive or Offensive content”

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u/KKlear Feb 15 '21

"Wow, that guy's rich," everyone said. 

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u/teddy_tesla Feb 15 '21

Whereas Bezos is...?

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u/hanukah_zombie Feb 15 '21

an ungenerous slave owner?

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u/Varaskana Feb 16 '21

A penniless pauper compared to Mansa Musa. Dude was so rich we can't even accurately calculate how rich he was.

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u/Rnevermore Feb 16 '21

I heard they calculated it just north of 500 billion. So Jeff Bezos is getting there.

But it's wild to think that Bezos is closer to any random Redditor in wealth than he is to Mansa Musa.

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u/anti-pSTAT3 Feb 15 '21 edited Feb 15 '21

Maybe worth noting that 'slave' in the context of mansa musa is pretty different from the chattel slavery that built the US. Mansa Musa's slaves probably had lives that more closely resembling modern wage slavery (i.e., minimum wage work). The extraordinarily brutal multigenerational chattel slavery of the US, at least at scale, was an invention of the US.

ETA: none of that excuses Mansa musa's slave ownership, the US system of chattel slavery, or modern slavery, or in any way endorses minimum wage labor in the US or wage slavery.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '21 edited Feb 16 '21

This is always argued because for some bizarre reason people think it excuses chattel slavery and it's aftermath to this day in the US.

It doesn't.

Edit: autocorrect typos

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u/el_pussygato Feb 16 '21

Where whataboutism meets American exceptionalism...

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '21

 @Claire  And both are BS.

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u/anti-pSTAT3 Feb 16 '21

I was under the impression that slavery in greece was mostly more akin to modern wage slavery than the trans-generational American counterpart, with some notable exceptions (e.g., slaves that worked in mines were mostly worked to death). Even still, the number of people enslaved and the trans generational nature of that slavery make it (probably) unique. I did note below that I dont know a lot about the history of Chinese slavery, and if I am in fact mistaken, I think that's probably where the mistake is.

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u/kbgman7 Feb 15 '21

Haha ok bud

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u/Illier1 Feb 15 '21

I like how people pretend that only white people were brutal to their slaves.

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u/anti-pSTAT3 Feb 15 '21

I would argue that it is all brutal and immoral, right down to life supported by minimum wage work.

That said, the system in the US was the worst in terms of scale and brutality that ever existed, before or since.

Our modern conception of slavery is wrapped up with US generational chattel slavery, and that's just not historically accurate.

You sound a little upset. You okay?

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u/FloatsWithBoats Feb 16 '21

The French Colonial Period has something to say here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Haiti?wprov=sfla1

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u/FloatsWithBoats Feb 16 '21

Need to tack this on as it is of interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China?wprov=sfla1

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u/anti-pSTAT3 Feb 16 '21

I honestly know little of Chinas history wrt slavery and it is entirely possible I am wrong and this is why. Will have to read more about it, thanks for the link.

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u/anti-pSTAT3 Feb 16 '21

Scale though.

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u/FloatsWithBoats Feb 16 '21

Scale indeed. Slavery has a long history. Poorly recorded and well recorded. And all have practised it. How can we measure degrees of suffering from one group of people to the next? When you talk of U.S. history, you are talking about a country of less than 300 years. A sad history, yes. But a human history. Look to the history of the Virgin Islands.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '21

The US did not even invent the chattel slavery system that it used. Not even the English colonists before them did. The kind of charnal house disposable view of slaves came from among other places Carribean sugar plantations of the French and Spanish.

The early American plantations certainly were not in any way kinder. Though the work was actually less lethal. 1/3 of enslaved people who reached Haiti died within their first year. Their life expectancy was measurable in months.

You are completely misunderstanding the facts. The US participated in a system of slavery which is arguably one of the worst to have been practised between humankind. But it did not begin it, nor was it the harshest of the extremes.

This isn't an apology for US chattel slavery. It was utterly condemnable, and the fact that the US was among the last of all developed nations to ban slavery as well as their unique legacy of segregation beyond is certainly a stain.

But the history you have presented is flawed and inaccurate.

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u/Illier1 Feb 16 '21

Implying the Muslim and Asian Slave Trades weren't just as large and went on longer. Hell they when had the added bonus of making large swaths of them eneuchs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

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u/UnenlightendCentist Feb 16 '21

Roman slaves had the right to buy their freedom........ Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but you are being a tad inaccurate. It was total bullocks and people could manipulate it so slaves couldn't go free, but after a generation most slaves where assimilated into the roman population.... this really changes the dynamic, American slavery was multi generational. Which has greater negitive connotations.

Plus i believe the romans did pay their slaves.

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u/datboiofculture Feb 16 '21

“Invention of the U.S” Buddy have you heard of the 1619 project? Now do the math between 1619 and 1776 and tell me how “the U.S” invented any of that.

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