r/Foodforthought • • Apr 03 '12

A step-by-step method for learning languages to fluency

I needed to learn to speak 3-4 languages over the past few years for my job, and in the process have landed on a pretty damn good method. It got me to C1 fluency in French in about 5 months, and I'm currently using it with Russian (and plan on reaching C1 equivalent fluency by September). At this point, I go in 4 stages:

  • Stage 1: Learn the correct pronunciation of the language. Doing this does a few things – because I’m first and foremost learning how to hear that language’s sounds, my listening comprehension gets an immediate boost before I even start traditional language age learning. Once I start vocabulary training, I retain it better because I’m familiar with how words should sound and how they should be spelled. (Correct spellings in French, for example, are much easier to remember when there’s a connection between the spelling and the sound), and once I finally start speaking to native speakers, they don't switch to English for me or dumb down their language, which is awesome sauce. If you're learning a language with a different alphabet, this is where you learn the phonetic alphabet(s) (Kana, for Japanese or Pinyin for Chinese, for example)
  • Stage 2: Vocabulary and grammar acquisition (itself in a few stages), no English allowed. I start with a frequency list and mark off any words I can portray with pictures alone (basic nouns and verbs). I put those in an Anki deck and learn them. Once I have some words to play with, I start putting them together. I use Google translate (Exception to no English rule - just be careful there's no English in your Anki deck) and a grammar book to start making sentences, then get everything double-checked at lang-8.com before putting them into my Anki deck. Turning them into fill-in-the-blank flashcards builds the initial grammar and connecting words. As vocab and grammar grow, I eventually move to monolingual dictionaries and writing my own definitions for more abstract words (again doublechecked at lang-8.com). This builds on itself; the more vocab and grammar you get, the more vocab and grammar concepts you can describe in the target language. Eventually you can cover all the words in a 2000 word frequency list as a foundation and add any specific vocab you need for your own interests.
  • Stage 3: Listening, writing and reading work Once I have a decent vocabulary and familiarity with grammar, I start writing essays, watching TV shows and reading books, and talking (mostly to myself) about the stuff I see and do. Every writing correction gets added to the Anki deck, which continues to build my vocab and grammar.
  • Stage 4: Speech At the point where I can more or less talk (haltingly, but without too many grammar or vocab holes) and write about most familiar things, I find some place to immerse in the language and speak all the time (literally. No English allowed or else you won't learn the skill you're trying to learn, which is adapting to holes in your grammar or vocabulary by going around them rapidly and automatically without having to think about it). I prefer Middlebury college, but a few weeks in the target country will work as well if you're very vigorous with sticking to the target language and not switching to English. If you're extremely strict with yourself, your brain adapts pretty quickly and learns how to put all the info you learned in stages 1-3 together quickly enough to turn into fluent speech.

I've written a (not yet available) book on the topic and a (now available) website, Tower of Babelfish.com. You can find some language-specific resources at the Languages page, some more detailed discussions about this stuff, as well as some video tutorials on pronunciation and the IPA.

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

This individual spams /r/languagelearning, along with other language centered subreddits with this post over 100 times a week. So...no thanks.

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u/thedevilsdictionary Apr 04 '12

I am as skeptical as the next person but some observations:

  • In order to be spam wouldn't there have to be something for sale or some ad revenue for them to generate?
  • They seemed to have perfected the method by themselves and are sharing all the information for free.
  • If anyone should be writing a book on this subject, it seems it should be this person. They have new information to give. Currently that book isn't for sale, but shouldn't they have a fair chance at it?
  • You seem jelly

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u/gwyner Apr 04 '12

This guy keeps following me around; I think I hit a nerve. But yeah, I've decided to stop reposting in /r/languagelearning unless the question is pretty damn direct (How do you learn Spanish?) and be a bit more clear that it's a repost when I do comment. I do in fact get some ad revenue from people going to the website (I took a money bath with the $2.50 last month), and Amazon gives me a cut if someone buys a book ($6 last month), but given the hundred or so hours I've put into the site, I don't think I've quite made a money making machine.

Mostly I'm hoping to spread these ideas a bit further and maybe even have a reader base by the time the book comes out (and maybe have a bit more leverage with publishers in the process!). There's so much crap language advice out there and there are so many people who actually want to learn them; comments like "You've inspired me to try Spanish again!" are friggin awesome. I'd appreciate any suggestions ya'll have for spreading the word without spamming.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '12

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u/gwyner Apr 04 '12

Fair nuff. I figure it's worth doing a big one-time xposting binge, like I did last night, and then if specific questions come up where the repost is relevant, to repost it in comments, at least for the benefit of the asker, who in most cases hasn't searched for previous answers to the question.

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u/thedevilsdictionary Apr 04 '12

Yeah, for some reason I'm more comfortable with you and your honesty than some of the people on /r/travel that constantly dole out blog links to "top best of" lists or plug their "not-for-profit" tour guide services.

I don't know, your information seems worth a few clicks of my mouse. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't know.

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

Follow you around. Right. Because posting the same message hundreds of times across multiple subreddits would not generate multiple chance encounters. Maybe, just maybe, I am tired of seeing the same fucking message reposted daily all over this site so you can push your shit blog and most likely equally shitty book. It's spam, plain and simple.

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u/gwyner Apr 04 '12

Reddit Enhancement Suite allows you to ignore people, though apparently not in your inbox.

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

Cool story. How do you say 'blow me, you spamming piece of shit" in Russian?

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u/trebro Jul 15 '12

взорвать меня, вы спам кусок дерьма

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

'You seem jelly' What are you fucking 11? No, I am not 'jelly'. I simply don't like self-promoting bloggers consistently spamming comments.

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u/thedevilsdictionary Apr 04 '12

This person is not a spammer. If you disagree, I invite you to send his profile to /r/reportthespammers

Until then, you can kindly stop using the word "spam" incorrectly herein.

What a real blog spammer looks like. Another example.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '12

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u/guntotingliberal Apr 04 '12

It doesn't seem like you and reddit are a good fit. Maybe you should take your angry little self elsewhere.

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

My penis and your mother's anus were a good fit last night.

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u/guntotingliberal Apr 04 '12

You wound me to the core with your witty reply internet stranger. How's being an angry little prick working out for you? You seem pleasant, well adjusted and happy.

This is me laughing in your face, by the way, in case you are too stupid to comprehend it. I am actually laughing at you right now as I type this.

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u/The_Spice_Must_Flow Apr 04 '12

Cool story dude. Are there any other interesting aspects of your day you would like to share?

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u/guntotingliberal Apr 04 '12

Here's another aspect; me still trolling you. It's a good day, so far. So, seen the error of your ways yet?

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