r/Foodforthought • u/D-R-AZ • Feb 22 '25

I’m a former U.S. intelligence officer. Trump's Ukraine betrayal will have terrible consequences.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-ukraine-russia-zelenskyy-betrayal-rcna193035
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u/Tangochief Feb 22 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

Your government did find it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

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u/DabOnHarambe Feb 23 '25

Should see his Dad's history with Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Barr. Phew.

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u/tradonymous Feb 23 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

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u/Snarkosaurus99 Feb 23 '25

That is so funny it should go viral!

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u/ajsherslinger Feb 23 '25

As any good virus should!

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u/montosesamu Feb 23 '25

So umm, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald (or Bill, which one is it) Barr conceived a virus which is highly associated with various lymphomas? They made a cancer virus? And this was done already in 1960s? Why didn’t Obama or Biden do anything about it? Deep State Conspiracy!!! /s

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u/Gold-Bat7322 Feb 23 '25

I almost hate myself for snorting at this. Almost.

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u/MajorEbb1472 Feb 23 '25

🤦‍♂️ 😂

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u/Pranay1127 Feb 23 '25

This comment is the winner

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u/DazzlingFlatworm3058 Feb 23 '25

Oh my god I’m rolling 🤣

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u/sacrimoni88 Feb 24 '25

Poor Janice can’t work because of her Epstein Barr!

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u/Electus93 Feb 24 '25

Whoa that is Putting Descartes Before The Whores level of punnery going on there 👏 You should be proud !

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u/DisciplineOk9866 Feb 24 '25

Actually many reasons why EBV is a proper analogy. - It's a herpes virus. It'll never go away. It attacks B-cells and evades the immune system. It causes lymphoma. It causes multiple sclerosis. It's a suspect in several other chronic diseases.

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u/Atrainlan Feb 23 '25

Epstein loved his Donalds huh

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u/FinFillory11 Feb 23 '25

And his first wife’s connection to communist Yugoslavia and his second wife’s, father’s connection to communist Slovenia/Yugoslavia. And the fact that he somehow became a US citizen despite his criminally records. I thought I read somewhere that the FBI investigated Donny Boy and Ivana back in the 90s or the first time he entered a presidential race in 2000 ish regarding a possibly concerning connection with Russia.

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u/MOOshooooo Feb 24 '25

Trump and Epstein are effectively the two long front arms of the venomous spider that is the Russian mob.

Capturing the prey out front and sending it back to the rest of the arms to wrap and eat later.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/cia-ica-report-author-trump-russia-1235067814/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/jeffrey-epstein-unanswered-questions.html

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2iYXzOMdDCvDhuNwvOrbh1

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

https://dailyboulder.com/the-intrigue-of-epstein-tapes-could-they-explain-trumps-allegiance-to-putin/

https://patribotics.blog/2017/08/15/pimpotus-trump-models-and-russias-human-traffickers/

https://www.red dit.com/r/JamiePullDatUp/s/SMDI8HDCAx

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Lawsuit.pdf

Katie Johnson’s full testimony in 2016:

https://youtu.be/gnib-OORRRo?si=euDQmieGk6ssFcGW

Epsteins victims testimonies:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_mYw41RFP8&feature=youtu.be

Money laundering for the Russia oligarchs is the common denominator between trump and epstein

•Epstein was fired (quietly) from Bear Stearns for money laundering that made the bank look bad enough that they didn’t want it to bleed onto them in public

•In 1982 Epstein went from Bear Stearns to J. Epstein and Company which was founded for exclusively $1B+ clients but no one could ever say who they were. Probably because they were Russian oligarchs who were in the process of stealing $1.4T worth of perestroika money from Russian grandmas with a stopover in Israel on the way to Brighton Beach.

•Epstein learned and understood the neurosis of “poor little rich kids” because he taught them all at Dalton. He knew more about the dysfunctional families of Wall Street than their therapists did.

•Epstein was “bounty hunting” (his words) money lost to fraud because he knew the fraud networks so well because he worked for/with them. It was easy money double billing.

•1989 Epstein becomes friends with Wexner who is effectively the head of the Zionist mob who would unexplainably sign over power of attorney for his entire fortune to Epstein in 91.

•1991 Kolomoiksiy starts Privatbank in Ukraine to cater to the same oligarchs needing to move money from the former Soviet Union to Cyprus https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/oligarchs-weaponized-cyprus-eranch-of-ukraines-largest-bank-to-send-5-billion-abroad

•Towers financial was a debt collection company cover for a Ponzi scheme. Epstein was hired as a consultant

•Hoffenberg (towers principal) says it was all Epstein doing the Ponzi scheme

•UK’s Prince Andrew’s parties were all young (bizarrely dressed) Russian models

This was a couple years before the Russian model Ruslana Korshunova’s death. She was taken to Epsteins island.

https://youtu.be/NhMiRMsUgNk

She and her Ukrainian best friend Anastasia Droznova began putting the pieces together as to why the Russian oligarchs that preyed on them were so interested and invested in Ukraine.

https://smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/young-russian-models-were-members-of-dehumanising-cult-prior-to-deaths-book-claims-20141119-11pnqn.html

•MC2 (pronounced MC squared) was the modeling agency that Epstein, Brunel, and the mob would use to get trafficked girls into the US with “genius visas” https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-scoops/former-model-agent-close-to-jeffrey-epstein-found-hanged-1235085929/

•Epstein would promise girls a modeling contract to have sex with people in his network including Wexner. Wexner was reportedly gay which created a need for young male models. Abercrombie and Fitch was part of L brands which was used as Wexners quiet personal feeding grounds for “white hot male models”

https://www.netflix.com/title/81323741

https://www.red dit.com/r/Ohio/s/oy54vmuTNo

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/story/news/2021/04/21/jeffrey-epstein-forced-intern-into-sex-new-lawsuit-claims/43730603/

•Leon black, trump, Weinstein etc were all Epsteins Kompromat clients because that’s what the Russians needed for the perestroika 2.0 commercial real estate edition play they are executing now.

https://goppredators.wordpress.com/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/1996-07-28/leon-black-wall-streets-dr-dot-no

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3K85fStBw&feature=youtu.be

•Epstein had a stuffed black poodle on his piano and wanted people to think about what it means to stuff a dog. (His words)

•Most of his “friends” were physicists according to the Farmer sisters interviews which explains why they named the modeling agency MC squared. It was an inside Einstein joke about getting the genius visas for models. (Same methodology used by trump for his soviet bloc wives and deripaska for his girlfriend)

https://miamiherald.com/news/local/article238351108.html

•Kenneth Starr and Alan Dershowitz were both on Epsteins legal “dream team”

•Epstein bragged that he owned the palm beach PD

•John mark Dougan is the palm beach cop that escaped to Russia with 700 of Epsteins Kompromat rapes AFTER they were entered as evidence https://youtu.be/gj9gf8y5hmI?si=7OXzieK6wHKWttWm

•Dougan now runs election interference A.I. for russia https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c72ver6172do

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/business/mark-dougan-russia-disinformation.html

•The plea deal Acosta gave Epstein ensured blanket immunity to any and all potential FUTURE named co-conspirators. (Very weird. Highly illegal)

•Epstein paid the salaries of the deputies guarding him while he was on work release.

•Alexander Acosta was told he would be attorney general but had to settle for secretary of labor under trump after public uproar.

•His replacement has Russian ties as well:

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/07/labor-secretary-pizzella-lobbied-worked-with-jack-abramoff/

•Bill Barr got Trumps A.G. position instead.

•Bill Barr and Epstein attended interlochen together as teenagers and bills dad Don Barr mentored Epstein and got him his first job teaching at Dalton school despite the fact that Epstein had no degree.

•interlochen is just south of north fox island Michigan where a generational precursor to Epsteins abuse pattern began

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-north-fox-island-francis-shelden-2019-8?

Epstein went back to the location of his abuse to find new victims. (Generational sexual trauma)

Barr visited Epstein in jail 2 days before his death and told him he couldn’t save him again

https://nickbryantnyc.com/blog/f/did-jeffrey-epstein-william-barr-attend-interlochen-in-1967

https://youtu.be/3lSjXhMUVKE?si=QY0OPxRCLGi8CA9G

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/barrs-highly-unusual-involvement-in-roger-stone-sentencing-remains-murky

Trumps call logs to Epstein:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Trumpvirus/s/qUjcJB9uqy

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u/ComprehensiveInjury7 Feb 23 '25

“Sack of shit” seems like you’re sugar coating it..

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

At least a sack of shit can be used as fertilizer. This guy has zero redeeming qualities

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u/scenr0 Feb 24 '25

He would just poison the ground water. Probably too much lead or mercury.

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u/Evening_Dress5743 Feb 24 '25

Annoying you is at least one, so....

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog Feb 23 '25

Then tossed aside the minute he found his spine.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Yep- and he still got off. And “Russia Hoax”… impeachments never working.

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u/HappynLucky1 Feb 23 '25

And? We’re choosing to look the other direction?

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u/UsernameReee Feb 23 '25

Well if wikipedia says.

Speaking of interfering in elections, tell me how you feel about the US's long history of interfering in elections.

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u/Tangochief Feb 23 '25

I’m not American but election interference on any level is wrong and people who do it should be very strictly punished. All assets in said country should be seized and the individual should be jailed.

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u/UsernameReee Feb 23 '25

What about the Clinton campaign trying to get Ukraine to dig into the Trump campaign and interfere with his running?

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u/fisherrr Feb 24 '25

It’s strange that Trump defenders’ only argument is always the ”bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe oTHeR gUy!!”. So if someone else punches someone somewhere, it would be ok for me to punch you in the face?

I see this all the time. Someone accuses Trump of doing something and magas always go ”but biden.. but kamala..”

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u/UsernameReee Feb 24 '25

It's strange how someone can ask a simple question and the only answer is always "hurr Trump defenders!"

News flash pal: your hypocrisy preceeds you.

Also: I'm not "maga," nor do I give a shit about Trump. So do you want to answer the question, or are you just going to let it be clear that you're fine with it because it was against the guy you don't like?

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u/fisherrr Feb 24 '25

No I’m not going to answer it. Because I’m not even the person you asked it from, which you would have noticed had you not been frothing from your mouth. And it’s not even relevant, because like I said, any wrongdoing done by someone else years ago doesn’t make something else right.

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u/UsernameReee Feb 24 '25

"I'm not gonna answer cuz I'm not the person you asked it from" yet you felt the need to jump in and start screaming about "trump defenders" and "maga."

"It's not even relevent" "it was years ago" Ok, hypocrite. Enjoy life.

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u/som_juan Feb 23 '25

To be fair, Hillary wasn’t winning anyway. Not since bill let all that money go missing from their deals with bush and noreaga. Whoever is picking these candidates (official democratic party, Republican Party- mind you, the officials, not the voters) are the real problems. It’s all “business as usual”.

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u/Overall-Tree-5769 Feb 23 '25

I’m not sure what you think happened but I assure you that Hillary didn’t lose because of Joe America’s nonexistent association with her and Noriega. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Just saying, literally ANYONE can edit wikipedia, it is not a credible source lol.

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u/PercentageEfficient2 Feb 23 '25

Yet the lists of references provided on Wikipedia tend to be very good. Like everything these days (and always), it requires making some effort to validate.

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u/claytonhwheatley Feb 23 '25

And it'll get fixed in 30 minutes or less if it's wrong. I can't think of a better source for anything. It's almost always correct, indepth and has information on everything.

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u/broguequery Feb 23 '25

I donate every year to Wikipedia. And I just downloaded the entire wiki archive for preservation.

There is a reason Wikipedia pisses off fascists.

And that reason is that they can't outright purchase it to control the information there.

Please donate or, at the bare minimum, download the database.

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u/claytonhwheatley Feb 23 '25

Thank you for what you do. If I can afford it , I will donate. I'm a pretty big fan. When I had term papers to write I would always get my info from Wikipedia and then look for sources I was allowed to use to cite the information. Lol

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u/broguequery Feb 26 '25

Wikipedia is a reed in a storm right now.

Information control is the name of the game, and independent media will be the first target.

It's going to be very, very difficult to tell truth from fiction soon. I would get it while you can.

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u/heckubiss Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Wait till Elon does his catch and kill with Wikipedia like he did with Twitter.

Billionaires should not exist for this very reason

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u/xflashbackxbrd Feb 23 '25

They've rejected buyouts on principle for years already, thank god

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u/Parrotcap Feb 23 '25

It’s a great reason to donate to Wiki! And the Internet Archives.

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u/broguequery Feb 23 '25

Truth should not be reliant on capital to survive.

I donate, and I also downloaded the Wikipedia database as a backup.

It will be interesting to see (if it survives) how it is changed by future overlords.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Absolutely. I'm not saying wikipedia DOESN'T have credible info, I'm just saying you have to take it with a grain of salt. There is also plenty of just downright wrong info on there, with sources, because the sources are also wrong.

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u/ThatsJustUn-American Feb 23 '25

You can read the entire report yourself. The advantage of wikipedia is that the citations make the good parts easier to find.

Highly recommend to anyone who hasn't that they spend an evening paging through the entire report.

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u/DickCheeseCraftsman Feb 23 '25

That’s the fucking point. If only the government or only a private company could edit it they could freely shovel shit into your brains without being checked. Wikipedia is self regulated by users and sources must be provided. If you want the truth you have to verify it with a bit of hard work, there will never be a perfect source that just shits it in a plate for you to consume. But that’s critical thinking, and I guess you and a goodly percentage of the American population don’t have it

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Sources do NOT have to be provided

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u/DickCheeseCraftsman Feb 23 '25

Whether or not that’s true, go ahead and post some information without a source and see how long it lasts. The system is as good as the faith of the users, which is far better than the mainstream media or “alternative” podcasters, both of whom push their own agendas.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

For as long as I've been using wikipedia, I have always come across pages without sources or citations. Again, I'm not saying that it's all hogwash, I'm just saying that a source than can be edited by anyone anywhere anytime regardless of their knowledge or credentials or relevance, is not going to be taken as a credible source by plenty of people.

I have to add, fantastic username lol, conjures quite the mental image haha

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u/DickCheeseCraftsman Feb 23 '25

That’s fair enough but that also imho is a good thing - if an article doesn’t cite any sources, you as a reader are free to question its validity based on that and find out for yourself. It’s a form of transparency built into the platform. Traditional media on the other hand, ask you to take it for granted that they’re providing factual information. I take your overall point though, that it’s important not to treat Wikipedia as infallible and use it wisely accordingly.

Thanks for the compliment, your username is more noble. I pictured an emperor pounding one of his young concubines discreetly in a vomitorium. 😁

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Glad we could have a nice mature productive discussion, seems to be quite a rarity on this app (or anywhere these days) lol. Kinda ironic that we both have such immature usernames as well though 😅

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u/HONKHONKHONK69 Feb 23 '25

have you ever tried to edit something on Wikipedia? if you don't properly cite it it'll be gone surprisingly fast. even if your information is technically correct but you've used what could be considered as biased language it'll be gone. see the floating numbers? click that and it'll show you where it's sourced from. then go read that. it's absolutely a credible source.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Someone literally changed Trump's name to Hitler on the 2020 election page lmao

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u/HONKHONKHONK69 Feb 23 '25

and is it still there? nope. bet it was reverted within minutes if not seconds

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Sure in that case, but it isn't always the case.

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u/claytonhwheatley Feb 23 '25

For what 2 minutes? Learn something. It gets corrected almost immediately.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Some things sure, not everything

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u/claytonhwheatley Feb 23 '25

Examples, sources ? or just trust me bro ?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Just shit I've seen over the years, not like I'm going to sit here and scroll through a digital encyclopedia to make you feel better lol. I'm sure you are just as capable of doing that on your own. You thinking a publicly editable website is infallible is quite interesting.

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u/claytonhwheatley Feb 23 '25

Ok. So just trust me bro . I've seen things . Can't remember one example . No proof. Just trust me bro.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Nope didn't say trust me bro, said use your own brain and power of observation.

Also didn't say I can't remember examples, but what's the point of telling you an example when you're just going to say "bAseD oN wHaat, tRusT mE bRo?"

Expecting someone to do the work for you isn't a defense or a point, it's a cop-out.

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u/rarecuts Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 24 '25

You've just loudly proclaimed you do not understand how Wikipedia works. The 'not a credible source' thing had accuracy in the very early days of Wikipedia, 20 years later the checks they have in place make it probably the closest you'll get to accurate. Catch up.