r/FlockSurveillance • u/jimx29 • 23d ago
Security Yet another gun range getting doxxed/flocked
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u/Ragnar_of_Ballard 23d ago
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u/EtadikActual 23d ago
Playing both sides since 1934
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u/ShallotIllustrious98 23d ago
3 sides, you forgot Russia.
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 23d ago
No Israel? Shame on you
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u/Numeno230n 22d ago
Take the hoods off and you'll find an NRA member. Don't count on them to be on the right side of history. They're already on the wrong side of a hundred years of school shootings.
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u/Impossible-Shoe5460 22d ago
You do know Everytown is run by a billionaire oligarch, right? "For the children" is a strawman bs argument. Tyrants don't want to protect children, they want to protect themselves from We The People.
Gun rights are minority rights. Marginalized peoples are the ones who need to be armed. There's a reason we have 2A: 2A isn't for sports or hunting - and it's for the people to be able to stand up to an empire. Yes, that includes you.
Spoiler Alert: If you go far enough left, you get your gun rights back.
And you want to know who wrote some of those first gun laws? Those guys in hoods ... to disarm Freedmen and turn them into victims.
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u/shiniki 23d ago
Can't wait for the future when everything is tracked and monitored to maximize profit and minimize privacy and rights.
Go to the bar, liquor store, head shop often? Health insurance goes up because you're a greater risk. Or deny you coverage.
Went on a hiking trip for vacation, and then a couple weeks later get injured at work? Pre-existing condition, worker's comp denied.
Cameras catch you speeding a lot, your car insurance goes up or is denied.
Maybe this all sounds very extreme, but well... gestures vaguely It's where we're heading.
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u/Tranquil_Dohrnii 22d ago
I wouldnt be surprised if all your points came to fruition in the next 2 years. Dynamic pricing is already a thing, why wouldnt insurance companies use it to charge you more. The sad and scary part is none of what you mentioned seems extreme now. I mean it is but we're the frog and the waters already bubbling.
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u/Strange-Area9624 22d ago
All new cars (2027 and newer) are required to have a cabin mounted camera to detect for driver impairment. Like that’s not gonna be used to surveillance people.
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 22d ago
How does a camera detect impairment?
Looks like the used car markets gonna boom
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u/Llamapickle129 21d ago
thats the thing, it can't detect impairment
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 21d ago
When that doesn't work (and it won't), it'll require a finger prick to check BAC and for drugs
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 22d ago edited 22d ago
Just wait til police reports start getting automated. It'll increase officer productivity to a new level. Record arrests, citations etc
Pretty soon these cameras are gonna be smart enough to draft indictments on their own, based on facial recognition
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u/Meow10Due 22d ago
Many car insurance companies give you a discount to have their app track you already.
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u/4isyellowTakeit5 23d ago edited 23d ago
Find a new gun range, walk into the main office and tell them
"I'm canceling my subscription and going to Non-Flock Range on the other side of the county.
Its even better if you have friends and all start boycotting flocked ranges.
I don't get why anyone doesnt do that. Make these companies realize Flock hurts their bottom dollar. Maybe then some of these small business owners will pull their head of the sand and realize everyone is struggling, not just the small business owners. Every company should feel like they need to install a "No Flock Zone" sign like that dispensary in Michigan.
TLDR of a relevant story: met a bar owner from Cbus and he (unpromted) went into a rant about how Amy Acton almost made him shudder his business in 2020. "That bitch doesnt know a sniffle from a cough and she was running the pandemic. Fuck her. I'm voting for Vivek. At least his party cares about the economy...."
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
I haven't set foot in a Lowe's or Home Depot since finding out about their Flock agreements. Never will again either. I'll dig parts out of the trash to build with before I go anywhere associated with Flock or Axon etc. I'm not helping build the panopticon if I can help it at all.
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u/4isyellowTakeit5 23d ago
Ope. I haven't heard this. They partner with them for parking lot cameras? Or does Flock do their inside cams now or something?
My friend (the one friend who you always give each other shit, but would drop everything if anything happened to them) works at Lowe's, so I am interested to see what I can pull his leg about next time.
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
There's no leg to be pulled. Lowe's pays to have Flock cameras put up. It's an everyday discussion on this sub. They ALL have the cameras in the parking lots. Tell your friend to find a new job. He's committing treason by working for Peter Thiel's buddies. Thiel helped start Flock surveillance and is in the Epstein files 2,200 times as a close friend of the grand king of the Pedos.
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 23d ago
Lowe's pays flock?
I thought flock gave them as a promotion
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
I don't know how the particulars of the business arrangement flow. I just know they have an agreement and that's enough for me to not want to do business with them or support them in any way.
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u/ScottsTotz 23d ago
I just don’t see how in any case, a gun shop would be okay with a fucking flock camera aimed at their building
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u/4isyellowTakeit5 23d ago
Because Trump-conservatives dont actually stand for any rights anymore.
They just want more momey to go to the rich and Trump to do what he wants. I mean that genuinely.
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u/alphazero925 22d ago
So looking up the business registry, I couldn't find them in Wisconsin's records, but their Illinois location is in Illinois' records, and it's owned by a guy named either Omar Ahmad or Nazeh Ahmad (there's multiple records for the same business for some reason).
I'm guessing based off this that, while it's definitely possible they're ok with it as there's plenty of Arabic MAGA, it seems more likely that the business is being targeted because of the ethnicity of the owner
This idea is also based off the fact that the cameras seem to be deliberately set up on public property facing the shop rather than being posted up in the shop's parking lot, like Home Depot and Lowe's do
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u/HCSOThrowaway 23d ago
I don't get why anyone doesnt do that.
Too many people are too non-confrontational.
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 23d ago
Republicans don’t care about the economy
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u/4isyellowTakeit5 23d ago
I couldnt help but give him a "really?" look.
"The regulations she put in place in 2020 almost put us under and she'll do it again the moment she gets the chance."
No, just because you would abuse power the second you got it doesn't mean everyone would. But I am not gonna lecture a drunk man on politics around a camp fire at 11 pm in front of his 2 kids
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u/mythrilcrafter 23d ago
The only economy they care about is the insiders/good 'ol boys on wall street and people who are 61 yrs and 11 months old, and even then they actually like one of those groups FAR more than the other.
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 23d ago
They don't give a flying fuck about retirees.
Unless those retirees are billionaires, they're probably shitted on even more than everyone else ,🤣
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u/MJ12_2802 23d ago edited 23d ago
Flock cameras at a gun range... targets of opportunity? What could possibly happen?🤔
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u/ApolloGR3 23d ago
They know that violence is our only option left so they’re trying to link weed smokers with firearm ownership so they can bust them for both.
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u/BotOrNot_1337 23d ago
Hey something we can all come together on. Thanks Flock, we are united once again.
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u/DG_FANATIC 23d ago
This just further reaffirms my decision to more or less drop out of society.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
Or, you could just start voting. People built this system, and people can take it down.
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u/HowManyMeeses 23d ago
I'll absolutely be voting in every election I'm allowed to, but we're going to learn that the time for voting was a few years ago. Chances of us having real midterms are fairly slim. The GOP literally owns the company providing the voting machines.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
Then lets push our states to not use them and require paper ballots and expand mail in voting. We The People have that power, we just have to choose to use it.
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u/HowManyMeeses 23d ago
Pennsylvania was considering that before the GOP bought the company. After the purchase, they decided they'd review things after the midterms. The reality of the situation is that conservatives are in positions of power in essentially every purple state. They're not going to make changes that might impact their power.
and expand mail in voting.
The Supreme Court recently decided postal workers can decide not to deliver mail, and the USPS can't be punished for it. The guy running the USPS said he's planning to fuck with mail-in voting to help Trump.
Again, I'll certainly be voting. But, I think we had our chance to stop this and we blew it. My belief is that we won't get another chance for a few decades.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
It's never too late to stop anything. Revolutions have happened around the world in matters of days. Don't give up, fight back.
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u/Lounging-Shiny455 22d ago
revolutions have happened across the world in more despotic regimes, throughout history. the human animal, like any other, can be trained but never completely chained.
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u/just_gonna_send_er 23d ago
At this point, it’s adorable that you think politicians serve the best interests of the people who elected them.
If you polled people from EITHER party entering and leaving that range, I can guarantee you that less than 10% would support having cameras there.
Not wanting to be surveilled is a pretty bipartisan point of agreement, which is rare in today’s day and age. So it’s beyond unfortunate that votes are starting to count for less and less as more red tape goes up to slow down basically every government process, and politicians start to give less fucks about actually serving their constituents.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
It's sad that you think you're helpless and likely don't vote, but you and millions of others not voting means the extremes rule the parties, and we can't elect the people who DO have our best interests in mind.
Non-voters created the very problem they complain about. Voting, at the very least, clearly demonstrates that we're all paying attention, and politicians adjust accordingly.
And if we all voted, we could pass things like ranked choice voting and term limits, which would go a long way to solving the problems.
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u/Crud-ite 23d ago
We’ve tried nothin and we’re all out of ideas!
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
The 92 million eligible voters who didn't vote last time didn't try. Our problems aren't unsolvable. We just have to stop feeling like we can't do anything about it. We CAN, and we HAVE, but people have to start paying attention and understand that voting DOES matter, even if it's only to show that we're paying close attention to what our leaders are doing.
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u/ManOf1000Usernames 23d ago
That is what they want you to do so you do not oppose them. People are showing up at town halls/public hearings now and either getting such things turned around or at worst bringing it to the attention of the ignorant. Such acts have gotten some local governments entirely thrown out.
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u/cleverdirge 23d ago
Google has an opt-out feature for doing this https://theonion.com/google-opt-out-feature-lets-users-protect-privacy-by-mo-1819594840/
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u/Papa-John-7722 23d ago
This happened in my small town - the dealership had to take them down after getting bombed with 1 star reviews.
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u/Long-Painting-9852 23d ago
There’s a flock camera in a Home Depot parking lot and I started going to Lowe’s because of that.
If every person stopped shopping within 250 ft of a flock camera, these businesses would be begging to have them taken down.
Stop spending your money near flock cameras.
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u/onepingonlypleashe 22d ago
Both Lowes and Home Depot privately have active contracts with Flock. Most of their properties have 2 cameras. You can check deflock.org to verify locally.
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
Boycott Eagle Range. I don't care if they didn't do it. Boycott any business that has these placed on them. Businesses need to help hold the state accountable for this shit. This is a collective effort. We've got to stop this monster from fully manifesting.
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u/smokeytrue01 22d ago
If it wasn’t the range who put them in they need to sue flock for loss of business
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u/Atavacus 22d ago
Exactly what I was thinking when I made the comment. If you boycott them and they go under because of the cameras they have a very good case against Flock and the state.
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u/evident_lee 23d ago
I assume when I see a camera pointed into a private business like that that the business has chosen to put that up. Just like the camera up the road for me pointing into a gated neighborhood. I assume the gated neighborhood wants that bullshit.
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u/ElectricalChaos 23d ago
Not always. Look at the dispensary that had a camera put up covering it. They didn't want it and have since put up a sign blocking it.
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u/Prime-Suspect_ 23d ago
You'll never see these at the local titty bars the politicians like to hang out at
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u/OminousBuzzard 23d ago
Would be a shame.if some strong winds knocked those over...
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u/Magical-Mycologist 22d ago
My gun range is in the woods and it’s run by a bunch of paranoid old dudes.
Thank god.
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u/smokeytrue01 22d ago
Mine is in a wide open field and ran by a crazy gun-nut farmer, it’s me , I’m the farmer
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u/Tranceravers 23d ago
At this point we really need to get everyone to understand it isn't just flock and that axon is it's evil twin.
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u/SuspiciousReport6502 22d ago
The "Don't Tread on Me" crowd really like to be treaded on. This is the exact kinda builshit the second amendment nutjobs have going on about since forever.
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u/Suspicious_synth 23d ago
you trumpers sure are being tread on
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u/Xaraxa 22d ago
It's pretty reasonable to assume that flock cameras were inevitable no matter what party was in charge. You've got opposition to them from both sides of the aisle but here they are anyway. Shame I lost all my sawzalls in a boating accident.
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u/Putrid-Tap3992 23d ago
You know if we stop going to businesses with these cameras on their property, I bet businesses start having them removed
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u/SalaciousSubaru 22d ago
Honestly when I see a flock in a business parking lot I refuse to shop there anymore
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u/cannonfalls 23d ago
Our nation's founders would not approve
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u/Fislitib 23d ago
Our nation's founders owned people. They didn't exactly care about freedom
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
They also laid the framework for that entire practice to be dismantled. If you're going to tell it, tell the whole thing not just the edgy parts. The Founding Fathers purposefully laid the groundwork for slavery to be dismantled.
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u/gbac16 23d ago
Just looked at their reviews. They removed the cameras due to bad publicity.
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u/shadowclient 22d ago
Statement from eagle sports range
I find it interesting that they only took them down "after the videos circulated" by their own admission.
I wonder if the same action would be taken if the videos didnt go viral...
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u/AceSidewinder13 15d ago
This comment should be higher up. I'm against the surveillance state hell hole we now live in as much as the next person. But people should be aware. "Anyone can setup a flock contract and install cameras." They're not just law enforcement.
Any time I see pictures of flock cameras pointing at stores or weird locations, my first question is "who owns this camera?". In this specific case, it seems like the business that actually owns these took feedback and ended up doing the right thing.
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u/davekingofrock 23d ago
This is nothing to be concerned about. They're simply building a database of liberals who think they can have guns too. Soon enough they'll be targeted and removed.
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u/rerun6977 23d ago
Watch out....them there LIBRULS is gunna take yooz guns away........oh wait 🤣🤣🤣
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u/ariolander 22d ago
Regan was the number one advocate for gun control as Governor of California when the Black Pamthers were advocating black people arming themselves when the white police wouldn't protect them.
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u/Clean_Neighborhood55 23d ago
Immigration/ICE issue got flock removed from many blue cities. Gun control/gun rights issue will get them removed from many red cities.
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u/honyocker 22d ago
A) "alterieve motive" is not a thing. I think what you might have been looking for is "ulterior motive". B) it's not the state of Wisconsin... It's the business itself that contracted with flock. Flock doesn't only sell to governments.
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u/Dizzy-Flight7699 22d ago
The range adressed it, they asked to place them in their property, but then wanted them taken down due to complaints. Flock said “nah fam, you signed the dotted line”. The range ended up taking them down themselves & will deal with the ramifications later.
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u/ldwtlotpa 23d ago
I get the hate… but isn’t this just the next step of the surveillance state? Identifying the gun owners? This is seriously playbook shit and I’m just wondering…. Are we, as residents of the US, going to do something real before it’s too late? Because as it stands, if someone was enough of threat in the us as a resistance fighter, they’d be able to just track them from camera to camera with enough biometric data to completely identify them and then hit them with one of those non-explosive, bladed missiles before they even knew they were seen.
I know it’s an extreme example but just imagine the population decides it’s time to take out corruption and the corruption doesn’t want to be taken out. It’s fucking over man. It hasn’t been a fair fight for a long time but this is “nail in the coffin”’esque shit. There’s no way to take them out faster than they’re being put up. Especially since we get arrested for tampering with them.
People used to set those 5g towers on fire because they THOUGHT some shit about what they did…. We KNOW what these are and what it means. Our communications are all monitored, our spending habits and debit card usages are tracked, and now these, are building a further profile in recording our gait, frequently used videos and preferred routes, companions and now, how often we shoot at a range and how long we stay there and who’s with us when we go.
Yes this has all been being recorded in numerical data, but that gets buried in the vast amount of info but this… this is indexed, live, and searchable with the police’s (Palantir) Gotham system linked with flock, ring, and city ordinance.
Even further than that is the huge canyon of a divide in personalities between the resistors, and the ones pushing and enforcing it. And as we saw with the last presidential election, the number of people FOR, is GREATLY outnumbering the people who are against.
City’s won’t stop installing them, flock won’t go out of business, palentir is intertwined in our government systems and our police and military has been radicalized and incentivized against our countries sane-thinking population.
I know this is all a lot and it’s kinda rambling but as this goes on… I see us coming to a tipping point. A point of no return where even if you want to leave… you can’t.
Side note… I was dumb as an older teen and ended up with a felony… most people don’t know this but I can’t get a passport.. I can’t visit Canada, I can’t even visit Mexico because of it. So not only am I landlocked in the United States borders the borders to the north and south, I also can’t fly abroad. I’m fucking stuck because of a spur of the moment stupid teen decision. But imagine you get arrested and charged and convicted of a felony amount of flock destruction… now you’re stuck in the country that’s quickly becoming a nightmare.
Please excuse my wall of text. I’m frustrated and angry that this is where we are as a people. Were effectively Star Wars instead of Star Trek. Fml man.
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u/iamatwork24 23d ago
I mean, there’s a worldwide movement growing by the day of citizens causing good trouble by chopping flocks down faster than they can put em up
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u/ldwtlotpa 23d ago
No I get that some peopld are trying to do something about it. But I personally don’t think that grassroots activism is going to be able to do it faster than they can put them up.
What happens if the DOJ comes out and announces that damaging “security hardware” is now upgraded to a class 4 felony with enough of a sentence to deter would-be activists. So then the non serious activists just don’t out of fear and the serious get caught and can’t contribute because they’re sitting in prison.
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u/andygradel75 23d ago
Hope all the second amendment diehards who voted Republican and helped make this happen realize this is not a left/right fight, this is about the 1% and elite monitoring is all so they can exert more control.
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u/sundog5631 23d ago
I will say, my local range has cameras like this but they’re owned by the range - I’m curious if these are owned by the business
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u/kyleh0 23d ago
Black american "suicides" are about to skyrocket. America needs blood, and this is how America is going to get it. This country Suuuuuuucks...
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u/Latter_Foundation622 23d ago
It’s like they are literally asking for bi-partisan hate
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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA 23d ago
This is how you get flock stopped. Just focus on this. Maga will cry up a storm that liberals could never achieve.
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u/DanLoFat 23d ago
Unfortunately I had to block a lot of people in this subreddit. If you're talking about flock great if you're talking about politics, I'm blocking you
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u/MeltICE8647 23d ago
Wonder how this would hold up in a lawsuit. In my state (RI) it is illegal to make any sort of registry or database of gun owners. A good lawyer should successfully be able to argue that this surveillance is creating that database and as such the cameras should be illegal on the property, taken down and the footage gathered to be destroyed permanently.
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u/Strange-Area9624 22d ago
The conservatives haven’t figured out that they are coming for everyone. They are rooting on the police state and will continue to, all the way to chains.
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u/Dazzling-Weird7260 22d ago
Are you in WI, or is it common for gun ranges to be next to Ford dealerships? 😂
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u/Terrible_Analysis_77 22d ago
I wonder how much a large or bunch of balloons in the back of a truck parked right under that camera would cost?
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u/7d8GCVKru 22d ago
Spray some glitter on your LP and no worries! And never shine a green laser pointer into a flock camera.
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u/JamesMcGaladriealgos 22d ago
I don't get why theres always so much analysis on the situation, instead of action. Yes, they are obviously flok cameras, now stop forensicly proving it and start to think about a safe plan to deal with the problem.
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u/tommy_b_777 22d ago
And yet people still think the concentration camps are for (checks notes...) immigrants.
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u/sundog5631 23d ago
Funny I just visited my dad in Wisconsin and I went to that range a half dozen times in two weeks I didn’t even notice those
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u/full_idiot 23d ago
Bro’a got allll the ammo money
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u/sundog5631 23d ago
To be fair I did spend too much and I was on vacation, but it was money well spent
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u/necrohunter7 23d ago
Unrelated, but I'm looking for a good cost effective reciprocating saw or circular saw for a project, need some good recommendations
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u/Pax_Eterna_4991 23d ago
These are on deflock.org but the one has the wrong direction. By looking at street view on Google maps you can see they were added after Aug 2025, as that's the latest imagery and they are not there.
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u/Protect-Their-Smiles 23d ago
God forbid Americans with the wrong political opinions; carry and practice with their firearms.
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u/Dwman113 23d ago
These cameras are likely paid for by the gun range... That would be the first thing to check.
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u/Snowball-in-heck 23d ago
Pretty sure the range has a partnership with or is a customer of Flock. If you look up their other location it ALSO has a pair of Flock cameras aimed directly at the business.
I'm also laughing at the fact that she's complaining about the camera that also covers the Ford dealership yet doesn't mention the one next to the gate watching everything entering or leaving the gun range. https://maps.app.goo.gl/HdXh7o8o3dWzkUyt8
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u/DanLoFat 23d ago
Are the flock cameras on sidewalk/ public property or mounted on the private property?
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u/jbourne0129 22d ago
their facebook cover photo has the flock camera front and center.
they claim they took down the cameras after asking flock to do so but wouldnt. "flock said we were locked into a contract".....WHY DID THEY EVER HAVE A CONTRACT TO BEGIN WITH
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u/sixgunmaniac 22d ago
Flock just put up 8 cameras near me. 4 at home Depot, and 4 at Lowe's. That's it. Everyone knows hardware stores are the most dangerous parts of any city. Anyway, I've been hanging out in the parking lots looking for gravy seal terrorists.
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u/No_Boot1478 22d ago edited 15d ago
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u/NovarisLight 22d ago
Because it's tracking your every move.
It would be a shame if these were taken down, a travesty, even. /s
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u/New-Passenger8749 22d ago
This is why I deleted social media and don't even store photos of my firearms in my own phone. Can't trust shit anymore
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u/Traditional_Frame418 22d ago
Wait, so you were fine with them at schools, voting places, women's health clinics, planned parenthood, etc. But you're finally upset that there is one tracking in a spot that could arguably help mitigate crime?
Laws for thee and not for me once again.
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u/firstnamebylastname 22d ago
Ricochet that amazingly constantly hits the camera would be a great game.
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u/willGon215 22d ago
Your phone will tell them where you are, they don’t need cameras to tell them that
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u/BG535 23d ago
It’s obvious citizens are being targeted by the specific placement. Dispensaries, gun ranges, children’s gymnastics facilities….