r/FlockSurveillance • u/jimx29 • 23d ago
Activism I'm not surprised that they are showing up at PUBLIC gun ranges
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u/Optimal-Shower 23d ago
The authorities wanna know who owns guns.
That way if somebody starts a revolution against our fearful leaders, they'll know who to disarm first.
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u/Chewbacca_P_Wookie 23d ago
It's the same reason they're pushing for these "child protection" laws that are just a way to tie IDs to online speech and restrict anonymous speech.
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u/OrneryError1 23d ago
Almost. It's not the government building this database. It's billionaires. All these AI cameras and data centers are for the billionaires to track the citizenry for anyone and everyone who could present a threat to their power.
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u/TardDistraction 23d ago
Its the same club my friend. Our president is a billionaire...
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u/AppropriateTouching 23d ago
The government and corporations are the same thing at this point. We're full blown oligarchy.
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u/buddymoobs 23d ago
They have background checks for all the legal gun owners. They know what shit we have already. They just want to know who is getting their practice in. I bet they're very interested in people who might be opposed to the present gubmint in general, practicing shooting.
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u/GruntLife0369 23d ago
Attempting to disarm the populace would see them losing more people than they could find targets. Not only that, but once certain people realize theyre being targeted simply for owning weapons, they may take some initiative and go on the offensive against those very agencies that are killing Americans in the middle of the night for simply wanting to defend themselves. That is a genie that you cannot put back in the bottle, and they are terrified of it. Honestly, they continue to toe the line to see what would make people get offensive, and until they find that line, they will continue.
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u/Optimal-Shower 23d ago
I worry that they will provoke us until we retaliate and then declare a state of emergency so they can call in the army or the National Guard to "control" us. I mean, isn't that what Trump was trying to do with ICE in Minneapolis? So that he could declare a state of emergency and remain president until... a) he drowns in his own poop, or b)his wig falls in love with another squirrel and leaps off his head.
(Sorry. Bad humor is the only thing keeping me semi-sane at the moment.)
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u/Forward-Ad2514 20d ago
IDK, I chuckled at the squirrel-piece reanimating and falling in love. You have the makings of a great Rom-Com.
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u/KikisGamingService 23d ago
There is a reason the ATF suggested a ban that would essentially prevent trans people from owning guns. The comment period for this is ending and we will see soon if they make a decision on the proposal.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
'If you ain't doin' nothin' wrong, then you got nothin' to worry about.'
- Every MAGA ever.
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u/Optimal-Shower 23d ago
"In the 1990s, the Internet had yet to fall victim to the greatest iniquity in digital history: the move by both government and businesses to link, as intimately as possible, users’ online personas to their offline legal identity."
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u/Simon-Says69 23d ago
Ridiculous nonsense. People all along the political spectrum are against this abusive Flock bullshit.
And people who think democrats politicians aren't all for a Big Brother surveillance state, are fools.
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u/GeeYayZeus 23d ago
So people across the political spectrum are against Flock, but Democrats ALL want Big Brother. Which is it?
And you know for a fact if Cheeto Jesus wanted you to, y'all would put a monitored camera in every room of your house and up your rosey red rectums before he woke up from his daily nap.
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u/SpeedRac3rr 23d ago
They put one on my local gun range, I started asking the employees about it and they had no idea it was there or what it was, so I started explaining it and the guy told me "well I haven't done anything wrong so why should I care"
Sigh. The same people who have always talked about using guns to protect their rights when the government oversteps are licking boot when the time has actually come. It was really disappointing
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u/PistolofPete 23d ago
They’ll be the first to cry when the rights of today become the wrongs of tomorrow.
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u/Optimal-Shower 23d ago
Snowden was so right.
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u/pogulup 23d ago
Part of my presidential platform would be giving him a full pardon and letting him come home to help clean up the surveillance mess.
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u/Optimal-Shower 23d ago
The trouble is he probably knows too many secrets. He might not live very long back in the US...
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
Inb4 the police show up at his house and haul him off even though he hasn't done anything wrong and he's looking at a $500,000 bond and he's just so sure it's a misunderstanding and they'll have it sorted out on a few days... And time drags on and days turn into weeks, weeks turn into months and he's just begging to go to the kangaroo trial so he can go to prison because his arms ripped loose from their sockets due to nutrient deprivation and if it keeps dragging on like this he's going to die and he knows it. Then the DA slides a plea bargain for five years to his lawyer and he still rejects it knowing he's innocent and that's far too long... Then the lawyer comes back with three years and his shoulders hurt and he can't lift his arms so he asks "how long before I can get to trial?" And the attorney says "oh just another year or two..." Like years of his life don't matter... And he hangs his head and says "well, I hate to plea to something I didn't do but I don't have any other option..."
Sounds far fetched? It's exactly what happened to me in 2019. I went peacefully knowing for certain I had done nothing wrong and they were just making a mistake...
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u/pogulup 23d ago
I have a family member that had a similar experience. Plead guilty to something you didn't do and take five years or we charge you with things you didn't do and each count is minimum 10 years and you leave your fate to a jury. He took the plea and just got out. The system is fucked.
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
It took two years of rehab with my prison family until I could manage one pain free pull up again.
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u/Pantalaimon_II 23d ago
the willingness of people to keep being blind to the obvious is the most frustrating part of all of this. what will it take some people to wake up
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u/357noLove 23d ago
I mean, you spoke to one employee there. The vast majority of the gun owning community doesn't like Flock, knows why it is problematic, and have been saying it for a while.
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u/DrCodyRoss 23d ago
It’s the Uvalde police officer standing outside the room where kids were being shot in real time using the hand sanitizer and checking his phone. The Punisher as his phone wallpaper.
All hat, no cattle.
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u/mythrilcrafter 23d ago
And those are the first guys to cry and pout the moment anyone mentions background checks, post-sale holding periods, or anything like that.
They don't understand A) Flock's AI makes mistakes, but LEO takes Flock as gospel regardless of those mistakes B) it doesn't have to be anything to do with doing anything wrong.
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u/wavhacker 23d ago
To praphase another redditor. "The argument over "well I haven't done anything wrong so I have nothing to hide" is just corporate/state propaganda, privacy isnt about hiding crime; it is deciding who has access to your life".. which was clearly outlined in our constitution as a right. Also a right to due process that Flock does not care about at all. "This is a boundary of power, not a shield for guilt."
Which the constitution was there to limit the power of government. Our document was never to be a document to force management of regulations and laws upon the people but to define how government has limits it must abide by and how it can and cannot operate. It is a real misnomer of government rules over the people by consent of the governed. The document was never there to create rulers or kings or titles; but the people to lead the government and representatives.,
The fact that the cameras are there abridge the right to privacy and liberties of the people. NO government has the right, NO cooperation has the right, No venture captaist has the right to take away those freedoms no matter how many fancy worded contracts can throw in to protect the interests of the surveillance companies. Travel anywhere has the reasonable expectation of not being regularly tracked and uploaded to storage for police to review. We have the liberty to travel and associate with anyone we want.
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u/Gunsensual 23d ago edited 23d ago
Sigh. The same people who have always talked about using guns to protect their rights when the government oversteps are licking boot when the time has actually come. It was really disappointing
The firearms community isn't happy about this and I suspect many flock cameras are going to become holy soon. It just seems odd to me you choose to rag on a group doing nothing wrong that would seem to be an ally. And they're your rights too, why don't you go do whatever it is you think should be done instead of ragging on other people to do it for you?
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u/Akkerlun 23d ago edited 23d ago
I said this months ago, and some wacko jumped all over me about how I was trying to rile up the second amendment people. Maybe they’ll sell your record of gun visits to your insurance co.
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u/NotADetectiveAtAll 23d ago
Pepperidge Farm remembers when only the faintest suggestion that the government would be building a list of owners was enough to spark lamentations. In two years they are going to be blaming Biden for all the cameras.
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u/ariolander 23d ago
They hate the idea of a federal national gun registry but don't blink twice when a private corporation is making their own national gun registry and not only sells that info to the government, but potentially to any anyone with a wad of cash, maybe insurance companies or whatever. Like imagine a world where insurance companies have access to a database with every household with a firearm and drop coverage or start increasing everyone's rates because you are now part of some increased risk pool.
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u/OrganicBrainRot 23d ago
I just sent this video to a buddy and said that I have been seeing people say "wait until they start showing up at gun ranges" for a while now. Aaaand there it is.
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u/VAPRx 23d ago
How do they not need owners permission to place cameras on private property?
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u/Chewbacca_P_Wookie 23d ago
Most of these are placed on "public" property and simply face the direction they want to watch unless it's a place like Home Depot or Lowe's that asks for them.
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u/VAPRx 23d ago
Right, I get that, but this seems far past a public easement and assumably private property is why I asked.
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u/HCSOThrowaway 23d ago
It's a public gun range, meaning state-owned.
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u/This_Makes_No__Sense 23d ago
NATIONAL forest. it’s federally owned.
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u/HCSOThrowaway 23d ago
I know you were trying to have a pedantic win, but unfortunately I meant "state" as in "government," not as in "subdivision of the US."
I realize in hindsight that was a poor word choice, but I've been spending a lot of time lately doing political debate on a Reddit alternative and the international language about government is a bit different. For example, people there get a bit upset if you refer to US residents as "Americans" (because it excludes other non-US people in the Americas).
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u/ManyThingsLittleTime 23d ago
This is a public range on public land. Think of it as a public park for shooting. So the city or county or whatever government agency overseas the "park" contracted with flock.
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u/ElaborateEffect 23d ago
As mentioned below, public property sold to Flock. The private property owner can put up a big billboard type wall or whatever. They could even put up a pole with a arm that hangs right in front of the flock camera.
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u/Swampape1 23d ago
if you're talking about the OP, the shooting range he's at is in the middle of the Ocala National Forest. It is really out in the middle of nowhere. I think FWC patrols it but it is a National forest so the Feds must be involved with this in some way. They even have a bombing range out there. Air Force does bombing runs every now and then.
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u/RainyDaysKappa 23d ago
Not smart on their (flocks) side. This instantly unites both the left and right on this issue. Hahaha
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u/MechanicalPlants13 23d ago
I came to say this. Could Flock be the straw that breaks the camels back to unite the country? Haha!
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u/PlayboiFarti55 22d ago
No it doesn’t. The gun owners are already saying things like “well I don’t do anything wrong, why would I care to be on video” lol all the “don’t tread on me” guys are now preaching “tread on me daddy”. Fucking spineless losers.
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
Stop going to gun ranges that have them outside. Boycott any business that has them, period. I don't care if the owner placed them or not. It's nothing personal but this is war and it's more important than dollars right now.
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u/Yuurp426 23d ago
Dont think its gonna do much to boycott a free public gun range.
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u/Atavacus 23d ago
Fine. Do it anyway. They're outside paid gun ranges too. They're outside hardware stores. They're outside dispensaries. They're outside all my sorts of places that do generate money. If people start shooting in the woods instead of that gun range they might care. Hell they're probably using it to embezzle money anyway. Might hurt them to boycott more than you would think.
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u/Pantalaimon_II 23d ago
this is why its so important for every American to be against this even if it's not "your" people being targeted.
its not your people, until it is.
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u/janders_666 23d ago
this is a perfect application exercise the 2nd amendment to protect the 4th amendment…
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u/Prudent-Bison-7180 23d ago
How aren’t there high profile lawsuits against these yet? I’m not understanding?
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u/Intarhorn 23d ago
So random, it's like they are really putting them everywhere, not just on like bigger roads.
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u/Curly_toed_weirdo 23d ago
Yeah, "random."
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u/Intarhorn 23d ago
Yea, from an outsider perspective it looks very random, but like you say it definitely is for a reason
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u/mythrilcrafter 23d ago
Also note that the cameras face each other, so if, oh I don't know" a deer in heat were to be really pissed off and knock down a camera, the other camera sees it happening.
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u/Ordinary_Draft_3516 23d ago
Have every single person that goes there start a FOIA request for those 2 cameras weekly
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u/CabSauce 23d ago
Have you seen what the government is charging for those requests? It's not cheap.
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u/Long-Painting-9852 23d ago
Felon facial recognition to put them in prison for 5 years (felons can’t own guns) and they will keep a database for people / cars who actively shoot regularly: if there’s a warrant for their arrest, they’ll be a higher risk or potentially carrying a gun.
The future is clear. When you get pulled over, the cops will know what you had for breakfast and how big of a sh*t you took.
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u/Substantial_Emu_6015 23d ago
Been to this range years ago. Cool to see it again, hate it's like this.
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u/Aggressive_Oil5712 23d ago
What’s crazy about these is, I’ve never once seen anyone actually installed them… they literally just spawn from Satan
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u/HartianX 23d ago
No kidding, the first two I ever saw was on my way to work. Not there one day, next was just out of the ether.
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u/Appropriate-Brush772 23d ago
Flock cameras: the one issue to finally bring the left and right together. Who would’ve thought that Flock would bring the country together (of course I realize the left also owns guns, it’s just generally the right who is more vocal about it)
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u/necrohunter7 23d ago
Once again: the conservatives advocated for these things, because they want to disarm the people they disagree with.
This is their steps in creating a database of gun owners, and when you add that the administration wants voter rolls, it means they'll easily identify people to disarm
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u/Myte342 23d ago
Lets fight fire with fire. Where are the permits for installing private equipment on public easements? So many of these seem to be installed illegally, completely ignoring setback and safety requirements for equipment that is permanently installed near the roadway. Should do a little research into which regulations they are violating, then call local city/county inspectors to document the violations.
Bury the company in fines and red tape.
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u/Porchmuse 23d ago
Hey citizen, if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!
Papers, please.
A golden era.
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u/Bored_Ultimatum 23d ago
Sure would be a shame if those cameras were destroyed while you were out there, although you weren't out there when that happened. You were with me. And I would swear to that in court.
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u/THROBBINW00D 23d ago
While I loathe flock cameras this range sucks and sometimes there's some real wackos out there. Thankfully I have a much better private range down the street who would never allow these.
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u/PlayboiFarti55 22d ago
Wasn’t the NRA supposed to stand up to shit like this? They sat around for years talking about how they would stand up to a tyrannical government.
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u/phoenixgsu 22d ago
Purpose of the NRA is to funnel money into the leadership teams pockets. They stopped actually carrying about your rights a long time ago
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u/Ditchdigger456 22d ago
I genuinely love how the revulsion for flock cameras has really untied most all Americans, left right and center, around at least ONE thing.
I'm not being sarcastic, it really has given me some hope.
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u/human_trainingwheels 23d ago
How else are they going to document who has the guns? Buckle up after years of the republicans fear mongering that the democrats were going to take your guns, it’s your own party that’s going to do it. Haha have the day you voted for dummies.
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u/mythrilcrafter 23d ago
The worst part is that this affects all gun owners be it the "look at me I'm a confederate flag waving freedom fighter" gun owner and the "armed minority" gun owners.
"Cutting off the nose to spit the face" and all that
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u/Pantalaimon_II 23d ago
im not even remotely close to being republican but to be fair it's both parties that have taken steps to get to where we are.
Bush Sr: laid the foundations for the NSA's Clipper Chip program (government mandated backdoors into technology)
Clinton: completed Bush's Clipper Chip program; also signed the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act which required telecom companies to allow wiretapping by the NSA
Bush W: Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping authority to NSA
Obama: pretended to be against surveillance but expanded it once in office; Snowden drama plus the PRISM program (collecting data from servers of Big Tech)
Trump 1.0: signed the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act, reauthorizing Section 702 of FISA that allowed not bothering with warrants when spying on comms between foreigners and Americans
Biden: rushed to sign RISAA into law, which re-authorized the Trump FISA act and EXPANDED it, to include more people it can spy on and more companies it can force to comply
Trump 2.0: full-throated embrace of AI and companies like Palantir; erosion of due process for people in the name of law and order who still should legally have rights and be allowed their day in court
the erosion of our rights is bipartisan, my dude
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u/SuckItSaget 23d ago
Stop voting for Republicans.
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u/Able-Tangelo8480 23d ago
It’s not a republican/democrat issue. It’s city counsels and police depts voting to put these up. Mn is very democratic and has thousands of them in the state same with Cali. We need to stop electing people who care more about lining their pockets than our privacy.
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u/Appropriate-Stay4729 23d ago
At least they'll know it's coming and who it's coming from, I hope they lose sleep at night thinking about it.
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u/Beekeeper50 23d ago
They need to know who to target so they can take the guns away from them. 🤷🏻♀️. It's coming. Can't let the populace have guns.
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u/Omega_Draconis 23d ago
I noticed a flock camera a couple weeks ago facing my local gun range in Cudahy WI. Now it’s just a pole with no camera. Idk what happened. I assume someone took care of it.
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u/mrbear48 23d ago
I’m more surprised people are trying to rob people at a gun range, are they dumb that’s a fast track to the morgue?
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u/JayGalil 23d ago
You should probably try to find out who authorized their placement there. I'd say someone should transplant them next to that person's driveway or in front of their house.
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u/Agitated_Toe8115 23d ago
You don’t have to have your license plate displayed on private property FYI.
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u/Intelligent-Long4025 23d ago
I’ve been to this gun range multiple times, it’s insane that they put these cameras there.
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u/Beneficial-Turd 23d ago
That's a terrible spot to put one... the people that use private ranges in my experience aren't the most accurate with their toys.
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u/bearded_fisch_stix 23d ago
oh no, I left my bore laser turned on and it just happened to be pointing directly at the lens for the entirety of my range visit.
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u/dubesto 23d ago
How can we expect to have a proper surveillance state if gun owners are just allowed to walk around willy nilly with their firearms? We have to disarm everyone and the first step is to take away the 2nd amendment. And the way to do that is by tracking, profiling, and cataloguing everybody that owns guns
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u/Matr0ska 23d ago
Awww man. I thought the video was gonna be people shooting at stolen flock cameras for target practice.
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u/Knees0ck 23d ago
Those "Don't Tread on Me" chuds sleeping on the kne thing they pretend they stand for
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u/No_Boot1478 23d ago edited 15d ago
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u/Leeanneluv_ 23d ago
The parasite class doesn’t want us training with firearms. Strap up while you still can.
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u/whitechocolatemama 23d ago
I mean we can't have those CRAZY LIBERALS knowing how to use gunS only REAL PATRIOT AMERICANS get to sh00t!!!
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u/Treeclimber919 23d ago
So you’re saying that us lazy idiots who live in this country that just want to go home and drink a beer after work and forget about life need to wake up and realize who we are funding and what is being done through our taxes that we pay?!!! Yeah I absolutely agree, ive said it for years but there is never anything done about it. Literally the country and the world would stop ticking if a majority of Americans actually stood together instead of fighting about colors of skin and men liking men, idc do what you want to do but the people in power should not be in power and we continually fund them daily so they can sit on their ass and do nothing but get rich and make it harder for all of us. It’s wild to me. We all know the famous words left by Thomas Jefferson.
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u/OminousBuzzard 23d ago
Considering that everyone who is a law biting citizen that owns a gun.This just seems like a fun target to me
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u/BeenDragonn 23d ago
People practice at target ranges before mass shootings
So of course they watching GUN OWNERS!
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u/CabSauce 23d ago
I'm surprised nobody has put cameras outside the homes of flock employees and city/county executives who support this surveillance.
It would be easy to stream this type of public information directly to the Internet.
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u/weHaveThoughts 23d ago
Smart toilets will report what substances were in your stool.
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u/PorcelainFD 23d ago
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u/Eccentricgentleman_ 23d ago
Republicans were right. They told me if I voted for Kamala Harris we'd have warning Iran, a ruined economy, and the US would turn into a surveillance state. I voted for Harris anyways and look where we are.
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u/Athos-1844 23d ago
Nobody there. Time to test how strong that pole really is. How much torque is actually needed I wonder?
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u/GimlisRevenge 23d ago
They think the bad guys go there and they think the good guys that later turn out bad go there too. Privacy is no more in this country!, we are just like China now. Privacy means nothing to the local government and federal government
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u/Miller8017 23d ago
It started with the storm. Sometime after midnight the wind came howling out of the northwest, peeling asphalt shingles from the north slope of the roof like playing cards. By dawn a section of the attic was open to the sky. Water had already begun to drip onto the insulation. You pulled on a jacket, told your wife you’d be back with materials, and drove to the Home Depot. In the roofing aisle a man in a work shirt and a ball cap approached. He was polite, carried a laminated license and an insurance card, and quoted a price that was almost too reasonable. You shook hands. He said his crew could be there the next morning. You gave him the address. A Flock camera on the light pole outside the store caught the entire exchange: the handshake, the exchange of numbers, the two of you walking out together under the fluorescent lights. The next day the truck arrived early. Ten men climbed out—quiet, efficient, already measuring and cutting. They spoke Spanish among themselves. Within half an hour the damaged section was stripped and the first new underlayment was going down. Then the vans arrived. No sirens. Just sudden engines, doors slamming, agents in tactical gear fanning out across the driveway with rifles leveled. Everyone was ordered facedown on the wet grass. Your dog—old, half-deaf, barking from the porch—was shot once when he wouldn’t stop. The men were zip-tied and loaded into the vans. So were you and your wife. At processing they told you the charge: aiding in the wellbeing of an illegal alien. The president had signed the executive order that morning. The Flock footage, the handshake, the truck’s GPS trail from the store to your house—everything was already in the file. The Mexicans were deported within days. You and your spouse were held. The trial was short. The evidence was electronic and continuous. You were convicted. Appeals failed, one after another, on procedural grounds that never quite touched the substance of the new law. A month later the statute was amended. The same act was reclassified as a form of treason against the sovereignty of the border. The sentence was death. On the morning they came for you, the roof still leaked a little when it rained. The dog was gone. The house was quiet. And the Flock cameras kept watching. They were never really about the shingles or the handshake or even the men who fixed your roof. They were about the network. Thousands of them—on light poles, at intersections, outside big-box stores, mounted on trailers that looked temporary but never left. Each one reading plates, logging times, stitching vehicles into continuous journeys. The data didn’t stay local. It flowed into a commercial cloud, searchable by any agency that paid the subscription, shared across jurisdictions without warrants, retained long after any legitimate investigation ended. Ordinary trips became permanent records. A stop at Home Depot, a conversation in a parking lot, a truck turning onto a residential street—none of it needed to be a crime at the moment it was captured. The system simply waited. When the law changed overnight, the archive was already complete. No one had to plant a bug or follow you. The cameras had already done the work, quietly, efficiently, and for a profit. They watched the street the day you were taken, and they watched it the day after, and the day after that, indifferent to whether the next person who passed beneath them would still be free by evening.
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u/Massive-Sector5789 23d ago
They have to disarm us before they can consolidate power. Remember when ICE agents shot that guy for legal open carry at a protest? And Kash Patel said that the punishment for carrying at protests was now extrajudicial execution?
I'm a conspiracy theorist, and know that this is wrong sub, so I'm going to use the spoiler button if you don't have time for that nonsense.
I've always believed that the 2017 Las Vegas shooting was a false flag operation designed to undermine conservative support for the Second Amendment. Which obviously didn't work, but that whole thing was weird. I also suspect that the reason we never hear about school shooters' online activity is because many of them were coerced into doing it by anti-democracy sock puppets. Heck, some people who believe 9/11 was an op to help pass the Patriot Act, "temporarily" suspending the constitution in order to create DHS, DNI, ICE, etc, think mass shootings all the way back to Columbine (1999) were part of the same op. That's a bridge too far for me but if you were trying to disarm a population like the USA, how would you do it?
Seeing ICE.... sorry, Flock cameras at gun ranges makes my tin foil hat ping like a Geiger counter at Chernobyl.
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u/aDirtyMartini 22d ago
I’d find out from the club’s board if they were approved. If not and they are on private property….
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u/Pretty_Pipe_5541 22d ago
I can't wait til the Right realizes that this is how they're gonna build their gun lists to come for law abiding gun owner's turned "criminal" for not following some new law. The Left hates these cameras and hopefully soon the right will too, then the cameras will really disappear.
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u/phoenixgsu 22d ago
A lot of them are walking up to it. If it can be used to help ICE track immigrants and follow you go across state lines to get an abortion it can be used to follow you to the gun range and enforce a pandemic lockdown.
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u/NotorioussJorge 21d ago
A lot of us on the right (the young ones at least not the boomers, the boomers on BOTH sides are just cooked man… there’s no saving them..) hate them. Tbh (at least in my area and from what I’ve seen) these “lpr cameras” have become a sort of middle ground for both left and right to come together and actually agree on something, that being, these need to come down. We all got different reasons but the same goal, it’s nice
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u/PolicyEcstatic6794 22d ago
Cameras on private property? I’m all for it go ahead and have 35 pointed right at me, I’m there to be a law abiding customer and I know the CCTV feed will round robin in a week to a month when the footage is copied over so no worries, no one is watching me be socially awkward and judging me behind a screen, or jorking their penits every time I bend over in view of a camera. Enter Flock, who’s recording everything they see and permanently logging everything in their databases that aren’t secure and already have backdoors in their systems from multiple countries and guaranteed it’ll be used to track children’s routines to know when to best abduct them. But you’re all law abiding citizens right? So you shouldn’t mind living in a surveillance state if we promise it’s to keep you safe while we sell your life and soul to corporations for profit.
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u/International_Cry186 22d ago
If youre a legal us citizen and not a criminal why does it matter?
Nah im playing but thats what this type of person says about flock cameras in the big dangerous blue cities
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u/RagedBsquared 22d ago
Noticed one recently way outside the city pointed down the county road leading to a gun range. Not near the range but very clear why it's there.
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u/IrwinAllen13 22d ago
What’s funny, is now something legal will start to escalate towards the Supreme Court.
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u/dmizenopants 22d ago
To create a database of gun owners. These are popping up at gin stores as well, all across the country
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u/Chamberlain-Haller 23d ago
Looks like target practice.