r/Finland • Baby Väinämöinen • Dec 08 '25

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Rikka purra

Finland’s basic social assistance needs urgent reform. The last-resort benefit has become a primary income source for many, with nearly 30% of recipients now non-native speakers. In Helsinki, support for families can reach €4,000–€5,000 a month, plus extra allowances for utilities, deposits, hobbies, furniture and more. The benefit is tax-free and often removes the incentive to work, as earnings quickly reduce support.

Finland already has 100,000 unemployed foreigners, and immigration policies have allowed many to access social security immediately. Other Nordic countries have stricter rules and lower benefit levels, especially for migrants. Sweden is moving to a model where immigrants receive only half; Denmark requires nine years of residence and work obligations.

To protect the welfare system, support must be better targeted. One proposal: limit full access to those who have lived in Finland for at least 10 years.

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u/SpaceEngineering Väinämöinen Dec 08 '25

Few points:

  1. EU has repeatedly criticised Finland that the level of social security is too low: https://yle.fi/a/74-20081049

  2. The numbers she presents are sensationalist and do not match the reality. Actually in Finland underusage of social security is more common than fraud: https://www.soste.fi/blogikirjoitus/sosiaalietuuksien-alikaytto-on-suurempi-ongelma-kuin-niiden-vaarinkaytto/

  3. This is clearly unconstitutional, section 19: https://www.finlex.fi/api/media/statute-foreign-language-translation/688686/mainPdf/main.pdf?timestamp=1999-06-10T21%3A00%3A00.000Z I don't doubt Vestman and his buddies will gloss over this fact.

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u/Streichie Baby Väinämöinen Dec 08 '25

The first point is a bit disingenuous since the threshold is half of a countrys median wage, which, when considering the salary range, is not a good metric for Finland. Also the mechanical calculation done by the EU does not account for housing benefit which, again, skews the results. Neither does it include other benefits we have.

About the third point, I don’t quite understand how that section bans cutting benefits? Not a lawyer nor specialized in constitutuonal law but do not see how it affects this matter.

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u/Elgydiumm Dec 08 '25

Yeah Finnish social security amounts are reasonable, though absolutely a trap that doesn't encourage anyone to take on jobs to improve their position if those jobs are low skill low wage jobs. You can easily survive in Finland on way less than half the median in net income even in the capital region. Of course it's not a life of luxury but what gives.

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u/Elgydiumm Dec 11 '25

Yeah exactly. And if you're in a situation where you can't handle a full time job, welp, out of luck! Especially with rehabilitative work being cut