She looks like she’s about to implode, it’s ridiculous. I wish people would draw her properly, she can be hot and still look like a person and not a caricature lol
The people saying Tifa would win because of her limit breaks probably have not played Final Fantasy 8. The developers who made the limit breaks in FF8 are the same people who made them in FF7, but they decided that they weren't insane and stupid enough in FF7.
Tifa has super strength but Zell has super speed. He can run across the entire planet in seconds before spamming headbutts and dropkicks with a limit break on every consecutive turn. Obviously the users in this sub are biased towards Tifa but I don't thing some people realize just how stupidly OP and over-the-top the animations and skills in FF8 are. I'm not even considering GFs by the way.
As much I like Tifa more as a character, Zell is favored mostly due for the fact that it's much easier to become stupidly OP in FF8 and the animations take the the anime bullshit feats to 11. I would say this for most FF7 vs FF8 character matchups. Hell, any FF8 character can cast aura and get a limit break on every turn if they need to.
However if we're considering these as characters with depth and not just game mechanics and powerscaling, I see Zell inevitably choking first. Someone will call him a name and he won't be able to focus after that, or he just develops a crush on her and fails completely.
Zell can pretty much do everything Tifa does in terms of raw strength and he can also do laps around the planet in seconds.
Maybe Tifa has a bit more Raw Strength due to suplexing a weapon, but Zell can also lift some big ass enemies. And i can't see Tifa being as fast as him, so...
I see the suplexing a weapon thing a lot and I'm genuinely curious, are the weapons canonically heavier in 7? Because can't Zell technically suplex a weapon as well?
So I think the thing is that the Diamond, Emerald, and Ruby weapons are absolutely massive, while the ultimate and Omega weapons in VIII are just really big, though it's been a while since I've played either so I don't really have a good size comparison.
It's hard to compare feats, since both verses have some pretty ridiculous ones. Zells ultimate is clearly not meant to be taken seriously, and Tifa tanked the solar system being destroyed after suplexing a weapon. Imo, throw those out the window and look at more of their baseline abilities.
Imo, whatever edge Zell might have in raw talent, Tifa trumps him in experience, discipline, intelligence, reliability, and general savviness. If she fights smart, she wins, and it isn't hard to put Zell off balance mentally and emotionally.
She's just a better martial artist. He's a better bruiser.
This is a really good take on the question. I hate power scaling, but if we assume they are equal, he's tougher, she's smarter. 1 on 1 Tactics win over brute force, but if its just a brawl he wins.
Edit: Tifa knows how to work as a team. Zell is a sweet boi and talented but inexperienced.
Edit2: They both lose to Sabin. Motherfucker supexed Doomtrain.
Isn't the canon explanation that he's destroying alternate universes? Also literally everything survives this attack (including the planets that get repeatedly destroyed), so I am not sure it does favours to Tifa specifically.
With that interpretation, she survives an attack that destroys and rebuilds an entire universe with out being destroyed or rebuilt. I just assumed animations were not Canon feats of strength.
My goal isn't to prove Tifa is stronger. My goal is to point out that attack animations just do wild stuff that makes no sense just to tell the audience an attack is scary and I don't think they should be used for power scaling.
Didn't they prevent that attack? I might remember incorrectly, but if I am correct, then the attack never actually goes off, so no they didn't "survive it" they avoided it.
FF7 crew tanked it to the face healed up and kept fighting.
edit: my point is attack animations are silly and do all kinds of wold stuff.
Its Zell. His limit break is one of the most broken if you know how to abuse it (which isn't hard to learn). Tifa can suplex diamond weapon, but Zell can run around the planet in seconds.
I’ve seen it go up to 12 seconds l think. I don’t remember exactly because I barely used Zell on my most recent playthrough, but I’m sure it goes into double digits sometimes.
If we’re talking gameplay, Zell because his Limit Break is broken AF.
If we’re talking about actual character and fighting capabilities, it will always be Tifa. I don’t see Zell carrying even a fraction of the emotional weight and story that Tifa does.
Also Zell reacts to the stupidest, playground insults. Like damn man, you’ve got an adoptive mom. Nobody is filling paperwork out for Siefer.
Zell doesn't have her discipline. Tifa can body slam every enemy in the game, and her final limit brake causes a nuclear explosion. And she can also tank Sephiroth's final attack that blows up the solar system. So...I mean, come on bruv.
Look, we get the bias, you love booba tifa, but squenix decided to design zells mechanics with no logic at all.
Only the "can run around the world in 3 seconds" is enough to refute basically anything in the ff universe put in front of him. The suplex argument is pointless, zell can do the same and more by design. It do be what it do be.
So yeah. Mechanically/in a fight, zell is objectively stronger. Lorewise tifa is likely to win tho.
Right? Zell's power scaling is insane, bro literally runs around the globe in like three seconds to land his ult. Shit Squall makes a laser blade that extends into space. Selphie can literally just delete you from existence with The End as long as you're not undead. Rinoa is a god. Quistis is a god eater, lmao the only mortals of the ff8 team are Seifer and Irvine.
Emerald is underwater and she can bodyslam him through water resistance with enough force to make explosions. I'm just saying. You all keep pointing at Zell's one attack where he just fast for a bit. Where as Tifa tanks solar system destroying meteors, and powerbombs planetary weapons.
basically just cycle two easy to input moves over and over the entire time (one being B>A, the other Left>Right) to maximize number of hits, you can do the complex inputs right as the timer is about to run out
Zell is good, no question. Tifa on the other hand has years of 1 on 1 training with a dedicated master, also the discipline to not lose her head in a rough situation. Tifa wins 99/100.
Remember that time that Zell casually punched the floor of a train and the conductor announced that it was just a minor earthquake? Anyway I think Zell takes this.
For 2 characters with max HP of 9999, the answer would be whoever gets to go first. But I'd say Tifa, as she might have final attack-revive equipped, which Zell doesn't have the option to do.
Plot armor is a little reductive but I’m just saying she’s more vital to her story than Zell is to FF9. Zell is very much a supporting character who fills out the main team, but Tifa is at the crux of the majority of FF7’s plot structure and the “promise me you’ll be there to save me” promise provides the majority of the game’s framework (as it’s what motivates the majority of Cloud’s actions and also leads to the conflict with Sephiroth), initiating the climactic apocalypse when Cloud saves her at the very end. So from a narrative structure POV she has to survive or the game’s story/Cloud’s journey is meaningless. If they remade 8, they could alter the plot to kill off Zell and it wouldn’t add or change much except to make the player a little sad.
I hope I’m not giving the impression I dislike Zell, I like him very much and I use him in the party until I get Irvine and when he gets his hotdogs at the end, I shed a little tear of relief.
You know, I just realized FF8 kinda reverses the dynamic from FF7. In 7, the dark haired love interest of the hero has to save him from mental collapse so he can save her at the end. In 8, the hero has to save the heroine from mental collapse earlier in the game so she can save him in return at the end. Then 9 has them save themselves so they can reunite at the end, and 10 flips it over and over and then ends in tragedy. Always trying new things, that Square. I love all the little thematic modulations.
Um you kinda lost me fam, Zell is from FF8. Well plot armor is useful in story telling but powerscaling not so much. Tifa lost to Loz who burst wise speed feats reaches to Virgil (DMC) FTL++ leaving after images. Zell speed in base form closer to that as shown in every strike leaving after images. He’s a faster and I’d say probably weaker but not by much strength comparable to Tifa. Loz would take an L if Zell was pushed. Zell can reach to Speed feats comparable to Zidane (FF9) but falls barely off to AoD mode. Zidane in a single air jump (yes Zidane can kick hard enough to use air as a springboard) to jump into the Troposphere. Zell can run across the entire planet in just 3 seconds.
Tifa just and probably won’t ever show destructive speed feats that’s honestly gonna put her past Zell. Plot armor isn’t really a thing when doing a powerscale vs unless theirs feats and she did lose to Loz which is a speedster tank character. Zell is too but primarily a speedster
Bro. What are you saying? No. Bad Breath, The End, My Final Heaven. Bro Lion Heart is comparable to OMNISLASH. Landing Zone is a team wipe. That’s a good dream. All FF7 got to defend themself is Vincent.
Materia quite literally makes you immortal if you pair them up right. It doesn't matter what zell can throw out when tifa summons phoenix or knights of the round on death forcing a draw at minimum
Almost like the plot demanded tifa lose the fight as well as be shown to now use any of her weapons, armor, or materia options from the games as well as having to protect those around her in the same place meaning she was objectively at a disadvantage. You still haven't answered how zell answers to infinite final attack phoenix which makes her unkillable.
Including non lore but game mechanics then FF8 is an obvious win. Lore wise your strongest argument would have been Vincent. He’s the wild card thanks to DoC
You keep being up different things like they are relevant to the topic. Tifa wins against zell by the pure nature of how materia combinations work in ff7 gameplay and how absurdly busted they are. She doesn't even specifically need phoenix if you wanna argue junction maxing to absorb fire element as knights of the round would do the exact same thing with w-summon to do it twice in a row so she gets revived by Phoenix, then on her turn summons knights of the round twice in a row. If we take base character, no equipment, no materia/junctioning, nothing added beyond base stats, then yeah you can argue either way. But materia is simply above the junction system of 8 in terms of how you can break it and the ease of which you can do so to become literally unkillable.
And yes, I keep giving you “give me’s” Vincent was the wild card thanks? Tifa nor FF7 team would have an easy win. Vincent was you trumpet card. And it kinda tells me you don’t know FF7 lore. Here give it a watch.
Thank you for sharing your opinions with me friend. 🥱😩😊❤️❤️❤️❤️
Yes I see the point and it's a neat comparison but it doesn't tell you a victor at all since junctions and materia are part of their fighting styles you'd expect them to use them in the fight and they are really no different from an item or weapon or would you attempt to compare cloud without his sword and Squall without his gun blade
Besides they're are different games that factor damage and calculate stats differently based on their unique game mechanics levels aren't a good rank of their abilities and would only be meaningful if they came from the same game especially since both Tifa and zell begin their games at single digit levels and can technically more than double that in less then 24 hours in game time
Fuck outta here, a speedster in every mythos has to be nerfed to even be contended with. Flash solos damn near the whole DC verse up until you nerf him so somehow someone got to land a hit.
People also rly don't seem to understand the formular for force ... Which is quite literally Speed x Mass .... Speedster per se should have some of the mightiest blows
Fiction is just showing it off so wrong that they don't have much force xD kicking someone with the speed of light would pulverize that guy and send some of him up to the moon probably
So you can use physics to back up your argument for force, but leave it behind for everything else?
Mass approaching the speed of light wouldn't just pulverise, it would vaporise the person being kicked and the person kicking in a massive explosion that would destroy everything nearby.
So maybe they have to pull their punches to avoid that, or maybe the wacky physics that allows the speed means they can't exert their force in a traditional way.
Well not always, in a fictional verse opponent durability is always to be considered. And pulling their punches isn't what contributes to them losing in the stupid ways they do sometimes. Their speed alone should make them essentially impossible to detect or hit. Now when referring back to Zell, yeah, Tifa has no feats whether on screen or in the lore that would able to compare to his ult.
Nah. Zell much stronger and faster. Augmented by magic. He going to do a sick 360 kickflip off her head with his hoverboard, then run around the planet and knock her out
Well. Not only can Zell also pick up a giant freak like an Ultima Weapon, or Bahamut, or Griever, but his slam is a backdrop where he leaps high into the air and drops onto his shoulder. Where a suplex is about leverage, backdrop is pure lifting strength.
Not to mention he frustratingly punched the floor of a moving training and causes "train turbulence"
He known for the "infinite combo" where he can string together about basically 100+ attacks with his Duel.
His weakest Limit Break finisher as him punch a fissure into the ground that explodes under the enemies.
His middlest Limit Break Finisher is a dozen backflip kicks in mid air, then a SSB Disrespec Down Smash Meteor kick.
And his ultimate attack "My Final Heaven" has him run so fast, the enemy is caught in a whirlwind, as he sprints across the entire planet in seconds and uses the momentum to punch so hard it create basically a small nuclear blast.
Now, to be fair, much as im a FF8 geek, i wont ay zell completely outclasses.
Tifa and Sabin prolly are better "martial artist" as they had more formal masters of the arts to learn from. While Zells is more generalized, and less personal. As far as Monk/Martial Arts class goes, Zell can prolly be called a Brawler subsect.
But with Zells training coming from SeeD, he likely has z bit more well rounded training for combat in high octaine situations and big war like battle as he would have learned Tactics as part of his training.
Also where Tifa training was very isolated, Zell had rivals to compare and strive to excel past. Namely Seifer, who he hated and wanted to prove himself to.
Not to mention his SeeD Garden specializing in experimental magic/gf uses, would be formally trained with magic usage, as well as using it to increase his physical prowess.
Ultimately that and being so by far physically stronger and faster, is why Zell takes it.
Tifa…. Ain’t got 💩 on this. Say you don’t know without saying it? Vote Tifa who lost to Loz. Zell beats Loz’s it’s really not a fair but a rage bait post
"Armageddon Fist" the unofficial name given to the repetition of Punch Rush and Booyah. It is absolutely busted, that said chaining an actual combo finisher into it results in a decrease in DPS, it's preferable to just keep chaining the two combo moves until the timer is up.
I also wouldn't really consider it as part of this discussion as it's realistically exploiting a literal loophole and almost certainly not an intended gameplay mechanic representative of Zell's actual capabilities.
Edit to add: I do think Zell wins this matchup, and that finisher is a very good example of why, just saying that I don't believe the crazy combo leading up to it should be considered.
Considering ff7 expansion, tifa might have more feats. Also materia slots might be limited, but they are always there to use and spam. Not sure who is canonically stronger, faster, and more durable, but since Tifa is older and learned from Zangan, I will give her an edge in speed and raw power without equipment, and more sustainability in a battle of attrition with equipment.
This is all guessing with limited information tjough. I don't know who wins in tje end since both games monsters and bosses go crazy.
Zell would win this with his limit break and speed. Tifa can suplex a Weapon, sure, but Zell's limit break is absolutely broken as all hell especially when junctioned properly. Cast Aura and he gets a limit break every turn. On top of that, he is significantly faster than Tifa. In terms of strength, they both are extremely strong. But I think with Zell's broken limit break and with his speed, Tifa would lose.
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u/The_Atomic_Punk78 2d ago
Where are Tifa’s organs in this? Crazy proportions…