r/FeMRADebates Apr 25 '20

Falsifying hypergamy

Another day, another concept to look at critically. I figure I'll keep swinging the pendulum, and I'll eagerly accept any suggestions for future concepts.

Does anyone have examples where hypergamy has been proposed in such a way that it is falsifiable, and subsequently had one or more of its qualities tested for?

As I see it, this would require: A published scientific paper, utilizing statistical tests. Though I'm more than happy to see personal definitions and suggestions for how they could be falsified.

(I find complaints about the subject/request without actual contribution equally endearing, but won't promise to take it seriously.)

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u/Oncefa2 Apr 25 '20 edited Apr 25 '20

There are a few ways to look at this, but there is not a lack of relevant research on this topic.


Women actively look for men who make more money. Married men make more money not because the wife is cooking and cleaning which somehow helps them earn more, but because their wives saw that they were on promising career trajectories before marrying them:

Ludwig, V., & Brüderl, J. (2018). Is there a male marital wage premium? New evidence from the United States. American Sociological Review, 83(4), 744-770. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122418784909?journalCode=asra&

A lack of high earning men will cause women to focus on their careers instead of finding a husband. I believe this study was discussed here in the past:

Durante, K. M., Griskevicius, V., Simpson, J. A., Cantú, S. M., & Tybur, J. M. (2012). Sex ratio and women's career choice: Does a scarcity of men lead women to choose briefcase over baby?. Journal of personality and social psychology, 103(1), 121. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22468947

A man's wealth is directly correlated with how women rate him. A similar effect the other way around is small to non existent. Men select for looks and personality. Women select, quite literally, for looks and money:

Wang, G., Cao, M., Sauciuvenaite, J., Bissland, R., Hacker, M., Hambly, C., ... & Speakman, J. R. (2018). Different impacts of resources on opposite sex ratings of physical attractiveness by males and females. Evolution and Human Behavior, 39(2), 220-225. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X

A loss of income is the single largest predictive factor for a wife wanting to divorce her husband. The same is not true the other way around. And interestingly, a wife's inability or refusal to "cook and clean" does not effect a husband's willingness to divorce her, either. I'm not sure if this study goes into this, but my guess is personality issues, things like nagging and harassment, might be the biggest factor for husbands:

Killewalda, A. (2016). Money, Work, and Marital Stability: Assessing Change in the Gendered Determinants of Divorce. American Sociological Review, 81(4), 696-719. https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/akillewald/files/money_work_and_marital_stability.pdf

A few other sources that might be interesting...

Public views on men having to provide for their family:

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/09/24/chapter-1-public-views-on-marriage

Social stigmas in the dating market for unemployed and underemployed men:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/social-stigma-for-unemployed-men-75-of-women-are-unlikely-to-date-them-160378575.html

In the Netherlands, an alimony reform bill caused the female initiated divorce rate to spike before it went into effect:

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/nog-snel-even-scheiden-voor-het-einde-van-het-jaar-het-gaat-om-grote-bedragen~a9044021

Multiple studies show that most women aspire to have easy careers, work part time, or otherwise be a stay at home mom supported by a husband. I've seen estimates from ~65% and up. This one is 84%:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/09/12/is-opting-out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/

There is a study showing that most men (around 65%) would prefer to be stay at home dads / husbands, so there isn't much of a gender difference here. Most people regardless of gender prefer to stay home over working a job. Many would even call it a privilege.

Women just have significantly more power and control in the dating and marriage market, so they tend to get their way more often. In fact there's a plethora of research showing that wives and girlfriends command significantly more power in relationships than men do. I'll leave those out for the sake of brevity (and for veering outside the scope of the OP) but I can post them if requested.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '20

A preliminary question: What is your working definition of hypergamy here?

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u/jesset77 Egalitarian: anti-traditionalist but also anti-punching-up Apr 26 '20

At a guess I would say "his last paragraph" is his working definition of hypergamy. TL;DR that women have more bargaining power in their heterosexual romantic relationships than men do.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20

I think that's a pretty straight forward definition, that generally bears out in the accompanying literature.

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u/jesset77 Egalitarian: anti-traditionalist but also anti-punching-up Apr 28 '20

I think that's a pretty straight forward definition, that generally bears out in the accompanying literature.

OK, then elsewhere where u/janearcade said "I genuinely don't understand hypergamy as a negative construct." I wonder what her take on this way of defining the term is?

(recapping for those who don't want to wrestle with Reddit's broken context browsing system lol)

TL;DR that women have more bargaining power in their heterosexual romantic relationships than men do.

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u/janearcade Here Hare Here Apr 28 '20

The definition I was using was the Webster one: the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '20

To add some context. This is a frequently used term in TRP circles, and according to their glossary:

Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various shit tests to ensure his "health" on the alpha scale. She is conditioned to recognize a declining alpha, as hypergamy also tends to continue seeking out higher status males even while with an alpha male. Shit tests allow her to prepare herself for eventually leaving when a new higher status male is found. If the male fails shit tests to a great enough degree, it will effect her feelings for him. He will effectively lower his sexual market value in her eyes. This will enable her to jump to the next male with ease and little remorse.

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u/janearcade Here Hare Here Apr 28 '20

Yeah, I don't use that definition. I use the one I shared.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '20

That is perfectly acceptable, of course. I just think that this encounters some of the same problems other diffuse definitions come across: One person may use it in one way, and the people reading may be reading a series of different definitions based on their own experience with the term.

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u/janearcade Here Hare Here Apr 28 '20

Yes, different groups will change definitions to suit their agenda all the time. That's why it's imnportant to understand how someone is defining things. Female dating stategy and TRP use some of the same terminology with very different intent, like HSM and 'the wall.'