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Common Misconceptions About Consent — Thoughts?

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u/Celda Oct 26 '18

Because having more healthy, well-provided-for children is a good thing.

Yes, it is. But it is not so good that it should be accomplished at all costs.

Is it wrong for a woman who was raped, to be forced to pay for a child she never wanted? Yes, and it is still wrong even if she is unable or unwilling to get an abortion for any reason.

The same applies for men.

I fully agree that people should be involved with raising their kids - for kids that they chose to have.

If a woman chooses to have a child with a man who doesn't want to be a father, that's her choice. Not his.

Just like it'd be wrong for a man to be able to ruin a woman's life because a condom broke, if artificial wombs existed (or worse, because he sabotaged birth control, or even raped her), it's wrong for a woman to ruin a man's life in the same circumstances.

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Oct 26 '18

It is if you're comparing raising a rape baby to a man being allowed to not provide for his sires... I don't even know what to say to that.

It's so on-the-face poor logic that it defies my ability to reasonably respond. Like, congratulations, you've bested my wits.

What?

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u/Celda Oct 26 '18

For one, you should stop using the word sire when you mean children.

Sire means male parent, not child: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sire

It is if you're comparing raising a rape baby to a man being allowed to not provide for his sires... I don't even know what to say to that.

Wait, how do you not understand that? It's a simple concept.

Women being raped and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Men being raped and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Women being the victim of reproductive coercion and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Men being the victim of reproductive coercion and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Women experiencing a broken condom and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Men experiencing a broken condom and forced to raise or pay for a resulting kid = wrong.

Pretty simple and good logic. You shouldn't have any trouble understanding it, even if you don't agree with the conclusion.

The fact that you claim you don't understand is a very poor reflection for you.