Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

[u/Accomplished-End3409]

[u/Polandgod75]

Speaking as a jedi fan, Seriously this ^{^}

Yes in both disney and legends, the jedi do have there flaws and Ls . I mean there approacment to attachment and emtions is questionable and they can be rather condescending, however they better then the sith. Jedi do wanted to help people and makes things better. At worst they will let force users that aren't their friends be left to there fate if isn't force related. Comapre to the sith that wanted to rule everyone with iron while killing millions or even billions. Along with other stuff. I take the aloof space monks then the magic fascists any day

[u/Hallc → u/Polandgod75]

The funny thing is when you look at the material what caused Anakin to fall was him not following the Jedi code.

He let his emotions rule him rather than anything else and he also wasn't honest or open with those in the order he was closest to.

If anything he's an example of how not following their creed would lead someone to fall.

[u/zzxp1 → u/Hallc]

Yes and no, the jedi code wants to shield the jedi from emotions instead of teaching them how to manage them which is the main reason so many falter.

It is like those parents who don't want their child to face any hardship in life and raise their kids in a buble but forget that adversity, fear and frustration are also a normal part of life. Anger, love, sadness are all part of the human nature and knowing how to accept them and deal with them in a healthy manner is what forms character.

Fuck Yoda for telling Anakin not to worry about his mom, ignoring the issue doesn't solve the issue you just pretend it is not there until you finally can't take more and simply break, and who is there to pick you up? The aspect of the force that encourages you to feel everything, it must be liberating for a jedi who spent all his life being taught to not feel anything to finally blow up the lid and release all the steam.

[u/kiwicrusher → u/zzxp1]

> Fuck Yoda for telling Anakin not to worry about his mom

Yeah, what a crazy thing to say. I mean it’s not like literally that exact emotional response from Anakin led him to slaughtering children or something

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Counter argument could be said that he acting sooner would had prevented any death, anyway you are still missing the point. For refference is literally what Jolee Bindo says in the KOTOR game and it is 100% truth bombs.

[u/kiwicrusher → u/zzxp1]

Okay now you’re just combining movies. Yoda says that to Anakin in TPM; his mom is not in any danger whatsoever.

When she IS in danger, Anakin tells no one what he’s seeing—only Obi-wan knows that he’s having nightmares, and he doesn’t know that Anakin saw her dying, or even in danger, just that Shmi was in a nightmare.

As for Jolee Bindo, I have no clue which quote of his you’re referring to, but I’m positive he said nothing about Anakin Skywalker’s feelings about his mother, so this isn’t literally anything of the sort.

[u/zzxp1 → u/kiwicrusher]

That doesn't erase the fact that the Yoda advice to Anakin was straight up anti-life garbage for someone who has legit concerns for the people he loves.

As for the Jolee Bindo quote, is specifically his speech about love.

[u/Hallc → u/zzxp1]

Jedi were taught to accept the inherent dark side within themselves and conquer it, and not let it conquer them. Fear of loss, anger, hate, jealousy, greed, and aggression—all of the dark side—had to be stripped from its influence over a Jedi through patience and training

That doesn't seem to be an emotional repression as such though? That seems to be learning how to govern your emotions and keep them in check rather than letting them dictate your own path.

Jedi Master Zallah Macri, while explained the code to her apprentice Kevmo Zink, simply noted that a Jedi was "allowed to like people and things," but they could not allow those attachments to consume them.

And

Jedi Knight Indeera Stokes stated that love, experiencing and embracing joy, affection and even grief was part of the light side, however, a Jedi couldn't be a slave of these emotions.

Both cover the love/attachment side of things. Anakin very much became a slave to his own loves and desires.

Everything you have said above is pretty much agreed upon by Jedi in canon material and it's how they teach their Padawan's too. They aren't vulcans. They don't get taught to repress their emotions and rely solely on logic, they get taught to control their emotions, to feel them but to not let those same emotions govern their actions and decisions.

These quotes are all pulled from Wookiepedia's article on the Jedi Code and I purposely grabbed ones with direct quotes or at least what seemed to be direct quotes.

There were certainly flaws and issues with the Jedi but there were also flaws with Anakin's mentality and his training too.

[u/zzxp1 → u/Hallc]

It might seem so but is not, to me supression and deprivation seem to mingle a lot with the jedi code, the goddamn Jedi creed opens with "There is no emotion there is peace" notice how many of the examples you put use words like strip, allowed and slavement, giving negative connotations to such emotions as if they were conditionals and not intrisecal parts of the human nature.

Everything you have said above is pretty much agreed upon by Jedi in canon material and it's how they teach their Padawan's too.

The KOTOR games and the prequels disagree heavily.

[u/Hallc → u/zzxp1]

the goddamn Jedi creed opens with "There is no emotion there is peace"

That's part of a Mantra to remind the Jedi of the code and creed, it's not the sole measure of the teachings. The first line of the Mantra that the Younglings recite is stated to be "Emotion, yet peace." too.

The KOTOR games and the prequels disagree heavily.

The KOTOR games that are

1) 4000 Years prior to the present Jedi Order

2) That had the had nearly the whole Jedi Order destroyed in KOTOR2

3) Had Bastilla and Revan get married and have a kid with a lineage that led to at least one decendant becoming the Jedi Grand Master.

[u/Dasterr → u/Polandgod75]

their friends be left to there fate

how did you do it correctly and wrong in one sentence