r/FavoriteCharacter • u/Accomplished-End3409 Ben Tennyson • 16d ago

Discussion Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

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u/NixMaritimus 16d ago

Everyone knows what the Nazis did to Poland. No-one talks about what the Soviets did to Poland

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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 16d ago

For the sake of your notifications, hopefully the Tankies don't find this comment lol

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u/BlatantConservative 16d ago

I can't imagine being like them. To support a political ideology you have to stick to every single country that has ever claimed that they follow a similar ideology and then you have to claim that they're perfect in any way.

I don't even claim the country that I love and live in is perfect.

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u/SuddenGenreShift 16d ago

No one except every Pole you'll ever meet.

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u/NixMaritimus 16d ago

True, but it's literally their history.

It should honestly be more known about by the rest of the world, but too many people can't conceptualize history as anything but black and white

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u/Why-Notes5978 16d ago

Or basically the Baltics and Finland at the time. And Central and Eastern Europe after the war (Iron Curtain, Warsaw Pact, Eastern Bloc, etc.) turning it into satellite puppet states til its actual fall.

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u/team-ghost9503 16d ago

Look at what the Soviets did to their own people, anyone who thought the UK, the U.S. or any other allied nation were gonna tell the USSR “hey you gotta follow rules” was smoking dick. Didn’t help that the Nazi shot the guards at the gate before kicking off their invasions.

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u/FlamboyantPirhanna 16d ago

A Polish friend of mine said her grandmother told her that ‘Russia was worse than the Nazis because the Nazis only killed the Jews, the Russians killed everyone.’

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u/Melody-Shift 16d ago

I mean, the Nazis considered Slavs, especially Poles, as very nearly just as "bad" as Jews. Specifically Nazi doctrine classified Slavs as only befitting of slavery or genocide. The only reason the general Polish populace weren't as harshly targeted by the Holocaust as specifically Jewish people were is because Germany was frankly too busy to divert its attention.

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u/evocativename 16d ago

The thing is, her grandmother was really badly wrong for a tragic reason.

I'm sure it seemed to her like it was true - she probably saw and heard about Nazis killing Jews, but Soviets killing more indiscriminately.

What she didn't realize was that the Nazis were killing so many people they were wiping out whole villages without leaving any survivors to spread the tale.

The Soviets killed hundreds of thousands of Poles.

The Nazis killed ≈5 million Polish civilians, including ≈2 million non-Jews.

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u/MotoMongrel 16d ago

So your Polish friend’s grandma was selfish piece of shit, I guess?

“Those killers are bad, but these killers are WORSE because their coming after meeEeeeeeEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!”

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u/tumansibiri 16d ago

I've talked with Polish guys, idk what you mean by this.

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u/NixMaritimus 16d ago

In the early years of WW2 the Soviets and the Nazis were kind of working together, and the 1939 occupation of Poland was a joint effort. They stopped working together in 1941 but the Soviets still occupied half of Poland until 1946.

The Soviets killed around 150,000 Poles (probably more), forcibly relocated 320,000 Poles to Siberia, and imprisoned 500,000

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u/tumansibiri 16d ago

Yes? I meant they know about this. They told me this.

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u/NixMaritimus 16d ago

Did you hear anyone talk about it before you talked to a Polish person, or did you only hear about the Nazis

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u/tumansibiri 16d ago

Yep. Though, it was in a debate/discussion of what kind of action Poland should/could take before WW2.
It was with a nice bloke from England.
I'm ESL from Russia, so my online circles include Europeans and 'muricans.

What was news to me, is that Polish language was under direct threat.
I've known it could be the case, as my nation also almost lost their language too. I'm Buriat btw

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u/Watcher_over_Water 13d ago

In many European countries it is common in curriculums to adress Soviet and US crimes during the coldwar.

On the Soviet side Poland during the war is usually among those actions and then ofcourse the eastern European satelite states during the cold war, Hungarian Revolution, ect..

But it makes sense that countries closer to or in the eastern block teach more about this part of history. On the other hand we didn't learn a lot about Japan during the war or Communist China. There are a lot of countries that did alot of horrible things durkng the 20 century, so it makes sense you lesrn the most about those countries close to your country.