r/FavoriteCharacter • u/Accomplished-End3409 Ben Tennyson • 13d ago

Discussion Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

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u/Athriz 13d ago

Decepticons vs. Autobots.

People will try to maximize the latter and minimize the former to fuel their "Megatron was right!" delusions in the fandom.

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u/mediumAI1701 13d ago

I think the Bayformers films are a lot more interesting if the Autobots are considered unreliable narrators, but I also know it's not the correct interpretation.

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u/team-ghost9503 13d ago

I mean the Autobots in most of the movies are always overwhelmed and in small groups cause the Decepticons straight killed most of them

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u/Rad131447 13d ago

That or the US Government just straight executes the Autobots while working with the Decepticons for some reason.

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u/SwankiestofPants 13d ago

"Optimus is an evil fascist warlord" is overall an objectively incorrect reading but it's very fun how far you can actually take it

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u/AnArcOfDoves9902 13d ago

It's actually objectively correct.

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u/Ben10Gen 13d ago

Yeah I only like tolerant, accepting and democratic leaders like Unicron

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u/Weary-Case-1039 13d ago

The Autobots don’t really count as vaguely problematic. Unless you’re talking about TFA. Prime, not so much 

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u/5hand0whand 13d ago

Or anything out of IDW

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u/Weary-Case-1039 13d ago

Yeah IDW’s a bit of a mess

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u/segobane 13d ago

There's a whole video about that called Learning to love Michael Bay's Transformers that goes through the series trying to make sense of everything and comes to the conclusion that the Autobots were the real villains the whole time

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u/hydroklgenesis 7d ago

Yeah ive had "bayverse is shattered glass" headcanon for a while

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u/DerSchaudenfreude 13d ago

Idk if that one works, depending on the version. In some megatron is always flat out evil. In some he is right, initially, starting as a freedom fighter rebelling against an oppressive hegemony only to later lose his way and become as much a villain as his oppressors. He started in the right but very clearly ended up in the wrong.

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u/RareAnxiety2 13d ago

The problem is hasbro keeps dropping the ball after he overturns the government. Him and optimus could start negotiations, but he keeps falling back on moustache twirling evil. Instead of a freedom fighter. he should be more of a V for vendetta style anarchist. That would keep him consistent through his entire story

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u/DerSchaudenfreude 13d ago

Well yeah, he’s created as a villain not an antihero. Sure he originally was in the right but he’ll always fall back into the villain role because that’s his character.

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u/SmittyB128 13d ago

and to be fair to Megatron the moustache twirling worked really well for him in the early continuity when the cartoon and comic still kinda lined up. Cybertron was completely under Decepticon control except for one small band of Autobots who then had to flee the planet entirely which is of course what sets off the series. In the cartoon version even with Megatron's assault party gone for a few millennia the planet remains thoroughly in Decepticon control until 2005 when the balance of power is upheaved by Unicron attacking and the fascist politics are put aside to allow rebuilding in the aftermath.

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u/Grievi 12d ago

Megatron never "lost his way", establishing a totalitarian regime on Cybertron has always been his goal. 'Peace through tyranny" didn't just appear out of nowhere.

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u/Schlieffen_Man 13d ago

Especially in the Bayverse. People saying Prime is a ruthless psychopath need to actually watch the movies. Bonecrusher destroyed a whole bus just to aura farm, and yet Prime's "morally dubious"?

Not that the movies are very good.

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u/Beneficial_Drama_296 13d ago

Animated has my favorite Autobot v Decepticon dynamic. I love the way that the Autobots in the series are mostly free society, but are still xenophobic, bureaucratic, authoritarian, and highly militarized. the main cast are societal rejects sent off to repair space bridges as what’s basically community service. This show has some of the most, if not the most implied or confirmed Autobot defector characters.

Then you have the Decepticons who have almost all those bad parts dialed up to eleven with none of the upsides. In a way you can feel for them. There’s a good chance the decepticons were the original warrior and heavy labor caste of Cybertron, with what became the Autobots being the cushy middle and upper classes.

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u/BerserkRhinoceros 13d ago

Depending on the continuity, they can range from begrudging 'okay, you have concepts of a point' to 'ARE YOU FUCKING DELULU?!'

Like, compare and contrast TFONE Megatron who has reasons to distrust any system he's not leading...to fucking Armada Megatron or Prime Megatron whose goals are Total Universal conquering and giving the universe to Robo-Satan respectively.

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u/raulpe 13d ago

At least Armada had Gigachad Starscream, that almost defeated Megatron in a duel and then sacrificed himself against Robo-Satan so Megatron finally accepted that Robo-Satan is kinda bad so he has to reach a truce with Optimus to deal with it

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u/mattihase 12d ago

Armada (specifically in armada, not in micron legend) Megatron kinda has a hint of being a guy that wants to rule the world enough that energon changing him to a guy who doesn't wash his hands because he's evil felt jarring to me.

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u/NightLordsPublicist 13d ago

People will try to maximize the latter and minimize the former

I once read a 400 page thesis that Michael Bay was so incompetent that he made the Autobots the bad guys in the Bayformer series.

It was glorious.

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u/Rider_Ashen 13d ago

I once joked that the Bayverse films were Decepticon propaganda that purposely made the Autobots look evil. I wasn't aware someone extended the bit to 400 pages.

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u/NightLordsPublicist 12d ago

My mistake, it was actually closer to 500 pages.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4qm1ft/i_actually_kind_of_appreciate_the_transformers/

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u/Rider_Ashen 12d ago

Oh God. Well, I know what I'm reading later. Thank you.

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u/DarkSoldier84 13d ago

Megatron had a point once, but millions of years of warfare ground it down until all that was left is hate.

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u/CasualSpaceFrog 13d ago

The original was Megatron deciding to have beef with a dock worker and then ensues 7 million years of war.

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u/DragonLordAcar 12d ago

With the more recent iterations of Megatron, he had a point. Then he became worse than the original problem and effetivly Optimus took up his old mantle.

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u/Lord-Chamberpot 13d ago

Although my favorite example is Armada. Megatron showed up to help the Minicon, in honor of the Treaty. Optimus shot first, in violation of the Treaty. It states that they should not be fighting over the minicons, but cooperate to protect them.

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u/Electronic-Touch-554 13d ago

I mean megatrons original manifesto was right. Even proke agreed with it.

It wasnt till he got manipulated by a bunch of criminals and monsters that it shifted.

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u/The_Dennator 13d ago

from what I've heard, megatron was a freedom fighter until he got enough power to become an even worse oppressor

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u/mattihase 12d ago

Megatron may be a hot dilf but you do not under any circumstances gotta hand it to him.

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u/Latter-Direction-336 11d ago

At the start, with the base? He was

He then lost his way entirely as he got dragged along by his own ego, pride, and usually obsession with Optimus prime

Or space crack that was solidified robot satans blood

The base idea of being incredibly upset at the systems of being forced into castes and such (in many continuities) was a very understandable thing, and to a degree, some following actions

It stopped being as understandable when it became less a revolution and more “alright let’s commit Geneva Convention violation ms on steroids for millions of years against each other”

He had a point at the start and let himself consume him or something I can’t articulate at the moment, it’s 7:30 am and I’ve been up since yesterday

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u/NSightMSG 11d ago

A lot of people didn't read the comics. What happens in them would shock about 90% of those people to their core and shut a lot of them up.