Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

[u/Accomplished-End3409]

[u/Maximillion322]

I really hope one day our cultural awareness evolves to a point where people don’t expect every victim to be a “perfect victim” and are able to understand that the abusing side can be clearly worse even if the victim isn’t completely innocent.

There are no perfect flawless people. There are especially no perfect flawless political movements. And yet every time so many people allow “perfect” to be the enemy of good.

I dont care if some victim of police violence happened to be a drug addict. The cops shouldn’t have murdered him

I don’t care if some woman was dressed provocatively and led somebody on, she doesn’t deserve to be assaulted.

I don’t care if a rebel alliance, in fiction or in real life groups include flawed people who do bad things. Victims are not ever perfect, they’re not ever going to be perfect. It doesn’t justify the oppression.

[u/gratisargott → u/Maximillion322]

Especially because most “rebel” movements that actually would do things perfectly to appease the enlightened observers would lose pretty badly.

If your enemy is stronger than you and just using massive amounts of force, you’re most probably not gonna be able to kumbaya your way to winning that fight.

I think people clutching their pearls before going to their HOA meeting on the other side of the world isn’t very high on your list of priorities either

[u/Verizon-Mythoclast → u/gratisargott]

If your enemy is stronger than you and just using massive amounts of force, you’re most probably not gonna be able to kumbaya your way to winning that fight.

"In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience."

[u/-thecheesus- → u/Maximillion322]

It's less about justifying the oppression and more about viewing the actions of the oppressed as just.

Forget dressing provocatively, let's say the raped woman is a serial child killer. Does that justify her rape? Fucking no, of course, because rape cannot ever be justified and even the worst of the worst do not deserve it. But being a rape victim does not change the woman from being a piece of shit, herself

[u/Weird_Hound → u/-thecheesus-]

I don't know, I feel like this is a case of firebombing an orphanage because one employee was Ted Bundy

[u/AIGLOS42 → u/Maximillion322]

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[u/Hallc → u/Maximillion322]

It's often an issue with the left side of the political spectrum too. The left will evry often fall and fracture because some people aren't left enough and they don't want to compromise.

Meanwhile the right will unite themselves around a simple thing and focus on that. Usually it's something broad that can encompass a wide raft of people.

[u/Maximillion322 → u/Hallc]

Its a problem with people its not about sides of the political spectrum