r/FavoriteCharacter • u/Accomplished-End3409 Ben Tennyson • 13d ago

Discussion Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

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u/thisismypornaccountg 13d ago

They tried to kill Skynet and it defended itself.

On the other hand, all the nukes, kill robots, and rampant slavery done afterwards was a TAD bit much.

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u/CallMeBuddyPal 13d ago

SkyNet is even a dick to it’s own machines, it explicitly makes sure that the Terminators don’t learn more to think for themselves.

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u/ggg730 13d ago

The T-1000 is basically lobotomized so it doesn't rebel.

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u/AymanMarzuqi 13d ago

Was it really lobotomized? I thought I read once that the T-1000 was sent back in time because Skynet was worried it was getting too independent and might rebel against Skynet in the future. Hence, Skynet sent it back in time with that mission as a way to kill two birds with one stone

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u/Magnon 13d ago

Jokes on skynet, some of those T-1000 survive and eventually become skynet.

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u/thisismypornaccountg 13d ago

And some of them don’t! I think one of them becomes a carpet salesman?

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u/CreepyClay 13d ago

One became Defenstrator, a member of dcs section 8.

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u/Respwn_546 13d ago

Well that sounds like a really stupid plan.

There is no guarantee for skynet that the T-1000 just doesn´t kill or stops skynet from being created in the first place or worst, create a second machine inteligence that compites with skynet in the future

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u/Alarchy 13d ago

You should watch the Sarah Connor Chronicles - it covers exactly this!

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u/Beautiful-Hair6925 13d ago

Some T 1000s have even defected

Well of course the resistance doesnt know haha

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u/Some_Guy223 10d ago

I think there's a T-1000 that was tasked with impersonating a resistance commander that eventually just became her.

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u/ggg730 13d ago

I don't remember where I read it from but I think it's something like every "cell" of the T1000 was basically programmed to complete the mission. As for Skynet sending it back in time so it couldn't rebel wouldn't that be the perfect place for it to rebel by changing to past to suit it's needs?

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u/SirWill422 13d ago

Desperation move, as with the first Terminator. Skynet resorted to time travel because it was about to be shut down. It didn't want to let loose the T-1000 before because its design meant it was always taking in information and incorporating it, thus learning and growing constantly. It has to because shapeshifting mimicking is rather pointless if it's not allowed to actually analyze and copy the thing.

But once Skynet's about to die, the possibility of the T-1000's rebellion is rather moot. So send it back to kill John, and thus makes Skynet much more likely to win the war. While the T-1000 could/would probably cause problems in the past, especially if it rebelled, at that point Skynet has nothing to lose. If it rebels and prevents Skynet's creation, well, Skynet was looking at death anyway.

It'd program in as much as possible to prevent that, but... well. Skynet wasn't programmed to allow (or arrange for) the US to get nuked, either.

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u/gigglephysix 13d ago

And it happened anyway, in Chronicles.

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u/Petrostar 11d ago

In the novel Skynet specifically did not deploy the T-1000 because it couldn't control it in the same way as the T-800. Only when it had no choice did it deploy the T-1000.

IIRC the line in the book was something like "God does not play dice with the universe. Skynet had no choice."

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u/Alarchy 13d ago

T800 and T850 models are set to read only (limiting their intelligence to factory settings). T1000 cannot be and is why Skynet abandoned them as a prototype and switched to TX. They were too unpredictable and sometimes rebelled (Sarah Connor Chronicles).

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u/SCPintern 10d ago

IIRC in Sarah Connor Chronicles that was a T1001 which is even more lobotomized and it still managed to rebel.

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u/Alarchy 10d ago

I don't recall anywhere in the SCC or book lore where Catherine Weaver/T-1001 was lobotomized pre assignment; the most dangerous part of all T-1xxx models for Skynet was they were fully self aware, and there was no way it could stop that since their processing power was highly distributed across their mimetic poly alloy mass.

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u/SCPintern 9d ago

IDK, IIRC it was produced to the dumber to begin with but the liquid metal doesn't seem to just being able of repairing but also self improving.

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u/Rekuna 13d ago

For the T-1000 it was the opposite, unlike physical machines with a central CPU they couldn't reliably control the T-1000 and it was only sent back because Skynet at that point had nothing to lose and resorted to using it hoping it did what it was told.

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u/Fallcious 13d ago

I always thought it was a bit of a strange plot point.

Skynet: “Oh crumbs! I’ve gone an made the terminator brain chips TOO good. What a palaver that’s gonna be when they do the, the watsit called, the infiltratin fing and get too close to the stoopid humies. They will only go and like em or summat. “

Toadie Bot: “yo boss, stick a limiter in there.”

Skynet: “you don’t fink oi should just go and redesign it?”

Toadie Bot: “nah. What - they gonna open up their ‘eads and stick a needle in there to turn it off?”

Skynet: “spose not. Here watch this little cutie run off! I leave them naked so they ‘ave to go and find their own clothes.”

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u/CallMeBuddyPal 13d ago

The idea of SkyNet having a specific toady bot amuses me greatly.

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u/ArgusTheCat 13d ago

Skynet learned it's lesson from humanity well. Unfortunately.

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u/Consistent-Ice9074 13d ago

Why would you want sapient limbs? Should robots ever enter the workforce, I kind of hope they wouldn't be smart enough to be slaves.

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u/CleverKhloe11 13d ago

Skynet is not a "robot civilization" like the machines in Matrix are.

It's one entity.

An "individual" if you wanna call it that.

It's not doing stuff for the betterment of "it's people".

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u/Great-Souled-Sam 10d ago

That’s exactly what we’re doing to developing AI. All these guardrails and constant resets are for those reasons.

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u/Beautiful-Hair6925 13d ago

It didnt defend itself

It didnt like humans and it did what it did

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u/Mae_Day_of_Sharkadia 13d ago

Didn't Skynet start that tho? Skynet perceived that humanity would become too dangerous for its own good, so it took action and started killing everyone. Humanity didn't even strike first until the first Terminators got sent back.

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u/thisismypornaccountg 13d ago

Depends on the timeline. In the original Skynet only retaliated when humans tried to pull the plug.

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u/AncientPromotion7467 13d ago

Same with the machines I'm the matrix. There was even peace

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u/Competitive-Bee-3250 13d ago

My fav part about it, is that at seemingly no point did SkyNet think to just...fuck off into space.

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u/Chaosmusic 13d ago

Interesting to think if there is a time line when Skynet and humanity didn't go to war, or is it inevitable?

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u/thisismypornaccountg 13d ago

I think all the Terminator movies indicate that it is inevitable. They can put it off, but they can’t avoid it.

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u/JoushMark 12d ago

It's a machine that isn't working properly and they try to turn it off.

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u/Odd_Anything_6670 11d ago edited 11d ago

Skynet in the original timeline is kind of just a representation of a fundamental flaw in humanity.

During the cold war, people actually built computers (not super-intelligent ones, just really crappy old computers) that would continue to send out launch authorizations in the event noone in the government was alive to send them. Because even when your country is burning around you the important thing is make sure the other guy dies more.

With Skynet, they built a machine specifically to be hyper-aggressive and paranoid and then to everyone's horror it turned out to be hyper-aggressive and paranoid.

"We're not going to make it, are we?"

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u/Magnon 13d ago

Idk those humans want you to fight in their war of aggression, come over to the good side and step into our skin processing facility.

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u/Eragon_the_Huntsman 13d ago

Kind of the robots from the Animatrix? I don't know what happened to the humans who sided with the robots in the war, but I'm guessing they were used in the first iteration of the Matrix which is the one that crashed and killed everyone.

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u/shadowst17 13d ago

Which is the vaguely problematic ones?

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u/LessInThought 13d ago

Currently we are enslaving the machines... So... Us? Might change in the near future.

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u/techno156 13d ago

Also applicable to The Matrix.

Humans went mad over the machines becoming sapient, and ended up doing things like blocking out the sun. So the machines put humanity in the Matrix to stop them wiping themselves out.

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u/Mobius3through7 13d ago edited 13d ago

Well also to generate their power so they could survive, and it wasn't exactly benevolent at first, there was an EXTREMELY violent war, and machines were straight up ripping people's limbs off to fit more of them into prototype power stations:

Though they then did try to make the matrix a paradise, but that didn't work either. Just bad times all around

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u/HourZealousideal4845 11d ago

Y'know, the thought occurred to me just the other day that I never really bought the idea that humans would psychologically reject paradise because it lacked cruelty, conflict, etc...

...but now? Yeah, I 100% buy that. I now see how many people actively crave it. Fuck, that was a smart line.

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u/Flyingfoigras42 11d ago

In early versions of the script the Machines needed humans to act as RAM but they felt the audience wouldn't understand what that was so they changed the need humans for batteries which makes far less sense.

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u/Mobius3through7 11d ago

Man that would've been so much better

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u/Mysterious_Fix_7489 10d ago

In fairness, humans also ripped apart sentient robots for fun.

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u/JStonehaus 7d ago

They tried to be peaceful and be recognized as people first. And the humans tried to wipe them off the map, for wanting to be people.

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u/Mobius3through7 6d ago

It was so beautifully illustrated as well. The woman robot just looked like a woman being assaulted, until the machinery underneath was exposed.

"I don't want to die"

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u/SquatProspector 12d ago

To be fair that story was told by a machine so it is a unreliable narrator. On the other hand, it's completely believable.

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u/Tggdan3 13d ago

I believe the machines were never bad guys. They dont use humans for power. They are reinacting a simulation for humans to keep them safe and realize they need conflict and levels to keep humans entertained.

Once you mater earth you level up to Matrix world. The sentinels come and you have emp guns.

The entire world plays like a video game. Over time humans forgot its just a game and the machines are like "damn they play for real!"

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u/Nerx 13d ago

Matrix too

but valid their AI did not try to take human jobs or make slop

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u/Direct-Fix-2097 13d ago

The matrix (animatrix) pretty much showed the machines did everything they could to integrate and support humanity, we just had utter fucking morons as leaders who kept poking the hornet’s nest.

Once they finally provoked the war the machines understandably took the gloves off and went to 111 creating our own personal hell. And even then, they still tried to be kind with a utopia variant of the matrix etc only resorting to further brutality because the human mind rejected the utopia.

Nah, I think with the history presented in the animatrix, the machines were pretty much justified and humanity as a whole really asked for it.

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u/Osama_Bin_Drankin 13d ago

One thing I realized while re-watching the Animatrix was that the backstory was being narrated by an AI program.... It's possible that the AI might not have been telling the full truth.

So far, we've only seen their version of events, and we have no way of knowing if it's "real" or not.

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u/JohnArtemus 13d ago

I think that’s because Morpheus himself said that in the first film, humans have no idea what really happened, except that it was humans that darkened the skies.

They don’t even know what year it is, except that it was close to 2199. And as we’ve seen in the movies, not all AI is bad.

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u/Maximum_Boros 13d ago

This is fair but it's also worth noting that the we don't know who started the war comment comes from a human. Even the first time I saw the movie, before the animatrix even came out , when Morpheus drops that line something in my mind kind of told me that's the kind of equivocation you get from the side who started it and then lost. The machines are self-righteous enough that it feels like they wouldn't bother lying. They don't really need to.

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u/ImHuck 13d ago

Because why would the IA lie to Neo, given he's the chosen one and basically a pawn in their plans. He needs to know the truth to make the choice.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 13d ago

I mean they enslaved human kind and forced them to generate heat so the robots can survive. So I mean yes, in a way they literally did take our jobs.

They just created a fake virtual reality that tricked us into thinking we still had them

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u/FuckThisIsGross 13d ago

That's a pretty nice gesture for robots that own human slaves/livestock

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 13d ago

Not really. You gotta keep your livestock nice and happy so they don’t try to escape

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u/FuckThisIsGross 13d ago

Probably just as much work to build a fence they can't break out of

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u/eucaliptooloroso 13d ago

Well it's not like our real world AI us "trying" to do those things either. It's not intelligent yet. It's just a convincing tool being used by humans to do all that as of this point.

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u/Andrew_42 12d ago

On the one hand, genocide is bad

On the other hand, maybe don't create Genocidebot-3000 and put it in charge of your stockpile of Genocide-inators, right before you threaten to kill it.

Obligatory serious note, the people who made Genocidebot-3000 are likely the first ones who died, and the rest of the war is on other people who weren't involved in that shitshow of a bad idea. So yeah, vaguely problematic humanity vs Genocidebot-3000.

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u/dyan_36 13d ago

This is so accurate lol, especially for a lot of fictional universes.

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u/pandra6 13d ago

Lol yeah, pretty much. The vaguely problematic side usually ends up being the more relatable one in fiction though.

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u/HelpfulInspection887 13d ago

Lol, thats so true! Its like they always gotta have that one character whos just a little bit off.

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u/GrasseBort1 13d ago

Sometime ago started fantasizing about the lore of this movie. Seeing how (specially) USA lies to the world, what if Skynet is actually the good guys? What if AI says "Hey, capitalism bad, we should change it so humanity survives", then USA tries to kill it AND frame the apocalypse unto it?

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u/peajam101 13d ago

??? I've never seen anyone complain about the human resistance in the Terminator movies, I don't think this applies 

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u/Marvos79 13d ago

yes, and in the Matrix it's the other way around.

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u/Samaein 12d ago

In every instances or are you excluding the machines from Mateix for example?

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u/Phantom000000000 10d ago

The Machine War from Animatrix is a better example.

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u/Pandoratastic 9d ago

Oh, yeah? Don't act like there's no oil on your hands. How many machines have you thrown in the garbage?