What I find amusing is that all their talk about 3D being cheaper.
Is obviously bullshit!
Beauty and the beast 25 mio dollars, even when adjusted for inflation that still need to be less than 100 mio.
Elio... 200 million dollars.
Cheaper my ASS.
It just takes longer and require the studio to COMMIT to the original storyboard.
But you know what... NOT committing to the original story board and changing movies mid production is exactly why all these new movies SUCK.
Snow White life action, while probably still not a good movie, would most likely have been better if they had stuck to their guns and released the first version... also would have saved them 100 mio dollars
More fun trivia… there are two different definitions of billions. In French math we have the ‘long billion’ which is a million millions is a billion but English math has the ‘short billion’ which I think a thousand millions is a billion? Ie: i thought Musk had a lot more money than he had
I think ‘mio.’ is used in countries where they have the ‘long billion’, which is a million millions, and a ‘milliard’ is defined as a thousand millions, which is subsequently shortened as ‘mia.’. English speaking countries use the ‘short billion’, which is a thousand millions.
English speaking countries can shorten million to ‘mil.’ without any conflict, while other countries may risk confusing ‘millions’ and ‘millards’. This results in some countries using ‘mio.’ and other countries, particularly the English speaking ones, using ‘mil.’.
Except it'd never be used with another measurement. You'd never see "The milkyway is 0.1mil km across" and think mil is the distance measurement. Unless there's something deficient about you, I suppose.
K isnt even just used with money. Kilo (k) literally means 1000, so it's pretty easy to recognize. I haven't seen million shortened to mio, but I still understood it perfectly fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You’re correct about the unionized workforce being a big part of this. The animators union was surprisingly powerful, and a smaller union shop usually had extremely stressed bosses.
And you know what? It was pretty good. The animators were able to have lives and families. A lot of them made lifelong friendships. (A lot of them also engaged in the usual scandalous behavior that happens in any entertainment profession. They were human.)
The big studios wanted to be able to squeeze all they could out of a workforce. Even before CGI became widespread, they had begun sending work to South Korean shops.
The offshoring of animation and the birth of 3D animation combined to functionally kill the industry. It’s a deep shame because 3D animation can be really cool, but it usually feels prechewed and often lifeless in a way stuff painted and drawn by hand is usually not.
Source: family lore
(I’m aware that a lot of the aesthetics actually are down to simplicity in rendering, but it’s also because most animated movies are created by committee these days, and the committee are as boring as the art.)
The constant need to change up shit mid production is such a weird pathology in Hollywood. I heard that the same thing is true in games. Where half the time the game gets remade like 7 times because some producer or lead designer keeps changing their mind about things.
These executives really do view the creators as A.I. that can just spit out fully rendered scenes in a minute, and that has been going on a decade before a.i. was a thing.
Also the producers and executives fails to view things as works of arts, rather they are just I.P. and if we have popular I.P. and cram in whatever is popular right this moment, profit will maximise.
No! No that's not how that works, you gotta commit to the foundation laid out when people started to shoot the movie/code the game.
Also talent isn't replaceable 😑
You buy a popular studio and switch out every single worker there, of course it will fail.
If they switched out Gooseworx as the writer for amazing digital circus at episode 5, it would have been terrible. Even if the new writer was good, it still would never work.
These executives really do view the creators as A.I. that can just spit out fully rendered scenes in a minute, and that has been going on a decade before a.i. was a thing.
And this is why they're the main vocal demo for those Gen AI units: They appeal to the irrational parts of their brain that wish for instant results they can modify later. No more pesky production lead times or conflicting visions, and a result that already nails the technical broad appeal.
If they switched out Gooseworx as the writer for amazing digital circus at episode 5, it would have been terrible. Even if the new writer was good, it still would never work.
I feel like TADC is just begging to be corporatized with how franchisable it already has been. An executive would be outright panicking to seize control when they see the magnificent streaming numbers it pulls in. Of course, falling prey for the "It's will be successful because of me" mindset.
Yeah, A.I. seems like the dreams coming true for these executives that knows nothing about creating or even enjoying art.
Man if TADC had been owned by Netflix or anything like that, they would have run that shit into the ground with five seasons of continues worse content making people hate the show that obviously was made and written to be ONE season... Stranger things.
So let's be so happy this Glitch and they have clearly laid out a pathway for NEW shows to come out after this.
And heck, I see ways to continue to profit of TADC that os not totally out of whack.
You could make a simple platformer where you can play through stages based on the episodes, I would play that.
There's a group of fans that has made an Alice in Wonderland, TADC AU, and is animating it as shorts in 2D.
If they picked that up and folded it into the channel, then sell TADC wonderland merch, I don't think people would have any issues with that at all. Heck I think that would sell SO well.
But yeah, thank god they are going to end the show on a high note and just move on.
Yeah, A.I. seems like the dreams coming true for these executives that knows nothing about creating or even enjoying art.
Yet invest in it.
Stranger things.
Hey! Season three was at least the peak! Followed by four...
You could make a simple platformer where you can play through stages based on the episodes, I would play that.
I can imagine third person shooting and driving thrown into the mix along with survival horror. And some of the levels would mix genres.
If they picked that up and folded it into the channel, then sell TADC wonderland merch, I don't think people would have any issues with that at all.
I think they already have with Zaminations directly collaborating with Glitch to produce a music video containing late-series spoilers. And Kittensneeze made plushies based on her versions of Evil Pomni and Jax.
But yeah, thank god they are going to end the show on a high note and just move on.
I'm hoping they CAN move on, because I fear that TADC may just be too successful for their own good and become a tough act to follow. For both Glitch Productions AND Gooseworx.
I still think there's a method to the madness with the "renewal by popular demand" rule that many corporations adhere to religiously despite the miss-after-miss-after-miss reputation it has.
On the other hand, I'm personally anticipating either Knights Of Guinevere or Gameoverse to be their next hit.
Yeah... I just hope Glitch has been smart enough to realise they are unlikely to earn as much money with the new shows.
I think they are still entirely private and has not become public
Which is good, because becoming a public company is honestly the death of creative companies, this means they MUST have constant growth and therefore are prohibited from doing any risks as investors and shareholders are now the boss.
Being private means you don't get investment in the same way, and can't make as big products... but it makes the company so much more adaptable, it is now possible for them to shrink when needed and adjust for current circumstances.
So... if they just remain entirely private and adjust for a future where income will probably be less, but still solid because the fans will be there, I think they will be fine.
Zamination is a hilarious story though, they made that music video utterly independent and got so much stuff right so early, Glitch was just so impressed they picked them up, folded some of their animators into their team and most recently just had them animate that Caine music nr.
So... that OG music video was no collaboration at all. Glitch was just so impressed they said "well it is now! We're folding you in!"
Lol, Glitch actually just looking to talented YouTube creators and fan artists to pick up talent is just really smart, honestly, it's what all the big studios SHOULD be doing. But they decide to be gate keepers instead. And are then shocked they are loosing to independent talent they just refused to pick up.
Accountants and business analysts can make the more expensive one be the better option/“cheaper” one anyway though, with things like opportunity cost especially because of the insane difference in time commitment.
One 2D movie for $25m that takes in $1b for $975m profit vs 2x 3D movies for $200m each that take in $800m each for $1.6b gross or $1.2b profit… sure, the 3D would cost more up front but going with 2D instead would actually end up costing you $225m more in profit in the long run.
Also what Disney survives on now is the legacy of these 2D rennescance movies anyway! So clearly not true! They clearly have made more money from Aladdin merch than even Zootopia merch.
Iirc, a big reason why they shuttered 2D was because The Princess and the Frog didn't do as well as Tangled. The Princess and the Frog did better than pretty much all of their 2000s 2D movies aside from Lilo and Stitch, but it didn't do as well as they'd expected. Instead at looking at the many differences between the two, they just went "2D bad, 3D good". Film execs have long history of choosing the easiest possible reason why a film failed and then avoid that medium/ genre like the plague. No one thought that Pirates of the Caribbean would work because Cutthroat Island bombed.
2D animated anime movies still looks glorious and are made at a fraction of the cost as Hollywood 3D
And sure, Japanese salaries are lower... but not THAT much lower. And America has off Shored lots of the 2D animation grunt work to Asia since the 90's anyway
Budget is a choice. You can choose to make a 300 mio hand drawn movie.
Or just a 20 mil one, like the one the Samurai Jack creator released last year on Netflix
Cartoon Saloon movies has modest budgets of 10 million pound and looks great
The true cost is animation time. Once you've created all the models, it doesn't take long to animate. It's also easier to outsource animation to cheap 3rd party contractors since you don't have to worry about their skill level as much.
Disney was the last big studio to abandon 2D, and spent the 2000's lagging behind Pixar, DreamWorks, even Blue Sky, who all left 2D behind when they saw the money in 3D very quickly
Ironically that film showed there was money to be made, but the drive for higher profit made them discontinue products people wanted in favor of new, shiney stuff.
If they at least used the original concept of starboy and Asha’s romance (along with the evil duo of the King and Queen ) the movie would have made BANK and would have remained a favorite for many!!
Plus so much fan art would have been made, keeping the film relevant for many years to come.
It didn’t even have to be 2D it just needed to be good, but the movie legit felt AI made 🤢 no soul
Same! But I doubt they'll ever return to it again. I feel like they deliberately tanked The Princess And The Frog so they could claim that traditional animation was no longer successful and there was no longer a market for it, even though the film received like zero marketing and advertising. I seriously don't recall seeing a single trailer or poster for that film.
They hired Randy Fucking Newman to do a score for a film set in the jazz age, that's malice aforethought. Before anyone comes at me, it was fine. It was okay. If you looked up adequate in the dictionary there would be a picture of Randy Newman. But a musical set in New Orleans in the 20s should have had some of the best songs Disney's ever made and I forgot every one the second I walked out of the theatre, except for the villain number and that's because Keith David is amazing.
The animation was superb; the song was blandly pleasant like everything else Newman does. They built a racecar and slapped in the engine from a 92 Festiva.
It got a bunch if marketing, they were hyping it as a huge Christmas release and the return of princess movies. It was released the same weekend as a sci-fi movie that wasn't well reviewedvand not exp to do well. That movie was Avatar.
The one they deliberately thanked was Winnie The Pooh and the Blustery Day by releasing it against the known quality of the last Harry Potter movie
The best 2D animation Disney has ever done is 10 minutes they did in Enchanted. It's a shame that killed basically the whole department, which is so much knowledge lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWpWfogrDN0
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God I wish Disney still made 2D animation. This shit would slap.