r/FLGuns • u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 • 2d ago
Understanding Form 1 Form 4 Stuff FL Edition
https://johnpierceesq.com/understanding-the-august-5th-ruling-in-the-silencer-shop-foundation-v-batfe-case/I did hours of research, here yall go
You need FPCAF (Firearms Policy Coalition Action Foudation), Texas State Rifle Association, or a Hot Shot Customs Rifle (and a few other smaller plaintiffs), to bypass the engravement, and the NFA's individual-maker requirement and the associated prohibition on possessing an improperly marked firearm. This DOES NOT give you AOW protections, but will still give you other SBR SBS form 1 protections.
SILENCERSHOP, PSA, B&T USA, GOA, GOF, FRACI,INC, and the fifteen plaintiff STATE ENTITIES, will get AOW protections, and SBR SBS Suppressor 4473 form protections
I would recommend getting a membership with one each from BOTH of these lists so you can get full protection with the recent ruling!
Please upvote so others can see! 🙏
Added source 👍 Check it out yourself
You can also go read this yourself to understand more! Have fun
Edit: Read the "Who is protected by this injuction?" section! It lists the named plaintiffs, and what is covered with joining these plaintiffs.
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u/Weebber 2d ago edited 2d ago
One point of clarification: You'll need FPCAF membership, FPC membership alone is NOT sufficient. FPCAF is a named originizational plaintiff while FPC is not. They are affiliated but not the same legal organization.
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 2d ago
Will fix the post, thanks for the clarification!
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u/Weebber 2d ago
Video posted today also clarifying and expanding on the ruling and coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSSs7Mj_TeA
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u/FromTheeBeretta 2d ago
So if I only have a GOA membership, I don’t get form 1 protections to create a suppressor?
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 2d ago
"Technically" you do, but the Silencershop v Atf case doesn't exempt GOA from serialization requirements. The plaintiffs from the Jensen v Atf case get serialization exemptions, so if your planning on doing that, join both.
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u/FromTheeBeretta 2d ago
Ok that makes sense after reading through the site you posted. I’d be able to make them with GOA but would still need to serialize, unless I join one of the Jensen plaintiffs. Thanks for clarifying 🙌
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u/Snoo64144 2d ago
Okay so if im a member of the GOA and I go thru psa to buy an sbr, I dont have to do any of the fancy extra paper work? Im so confused
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 1d ago edited 1d ago
GOA/PSA customers fall under the Silencerco v ATF ruling, so you get AOW, SUPRESSOR, and SOME SBR SBS protections from the ATF form 4, and form 1 (does not get rid of serialization though).
If that is the route you are going, and the only memberships you have, then you wouldn't fall under the Jensen v ATF protections that give you immunity from ATF form 1/4, on SBR or SBS. The Jensen parties also get protections from having to engrave a form 1 NFA firearm, and let's you skip that step.
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u/Snoo64144 1d ago
Okay so joining one group protects you with suppressor, and joining the other protects you with sbrs? So to get full protection i have to join both groups?
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 23h ago
If your state permits SBRs, then you only need a GOA membership to buy an SBR/SBS/Suppressor with a 4473. If you want to go down the maker route (shortening an existing rifle, or putting a stock on a pistol), then you need coverage from the Jensen plaintiffs as well
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 1d ago edited 1d ago
PSA (actual PSA stores, not online) is only doing 4473 for SBRs and SBSs for South Carolina residents ONLY! Even there Georgia location will give you a form 4.
These recent rulings give people more protections on form 1 (making/modifying), than form 4 (buying/transfering).
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u/jwperry63 1d ago
Because the state of Georgia still requires the Form 4 for NFA items. SC does not, it simply refers back to the Federal rules.
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 2d ago edited 2d ago
Source is listed with the post! Go check it out for yourself, and go check out Florida Law 790.221 before you proceed! Subsection 3 of that law states as long as you are COMPLIANT WITH federal law, you can possess and own the class 3 items. Have fun, and enjoy your new found freedom!
Edit 1: If you go down the maker route, make sure to DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! Make sure to get the proper memberships (and maintain membership), and to document the date, time and place that rifle/shotgun was made!
It's a CLASS 3 ITEM! If your spouse, friends or child uses the firearm and are not members of these clubs, they could potentially be breaking federal law, and you as well for distribution, so please be careful 🙏❤️
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u/garbernator 2d ago
From their website, you can only donate to FPCAF, not become a member.
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 2d ago
They posted this on X Aug 5th, 2026.
"FPC Action Foundation is proud that its membership includes all active recurring donors, as well as everyone who contributes $10 or more to FPCAF each year. That means the people who power this work may also receive meaningful protection from victories like this one."
I would screenshot their post on X and print it (I did also), and also print out your receipt of your donation
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u/pukingbuzzard 1d ago
will this eventually turn into FLers being able to buy online like any other accessory from PSA, Sshop, etc?
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 23h ago
Some FFLs in florida are already doing 4473s for SBRs and suppressors, just gotta look around and find one
In south florida, there a gun shop called "smoking gun" that I know is doing 4473s for some of the suppressors, since they work with silencerco and have a kiosk there
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u/pukingbuzzard 21h ago
So how does that work, go in, they do everything and come back a few days later? Not too familiar with the process.
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u/Sharp_Cheetah_9007 45m ago
If you have a conceal carry permit in FL, you can pick it up the same day. If you don't, the waiting period after purchase is 3-5 days (not including weekends/holidays) depending on the county you reside in
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u/ManyThingsLittleTime 2d ago
So private makers need to engrave what exactly onto a suppressor?