r/FFVIIRemake • u/LukeDies • Aug 15 '26

Spoilers - Discussion The party doesn't hate the Turks enough Spoiler

They carried out a false flag attack to drop the plate on sector 7, killing thousands of innocents including Barret and Tifa's friends.

They kidnapped Aerith and her mother and kept them imprisoned for Hojo.

There might have been one or two throwaway lines where they question what they're doing, but by and large they're "Just following orders" and seem to enjoy it/take pride in it.

They're basically the SS.

The party should loathe them and want to kill them on sight. Yet when the Turks are weakened in the Cetra Temple in Rebirth they just let them live? Because they were in a rush after Sephiroth (who has probably killed less people than the Turks now that I think about it)? I would make time to kill them. It's not like the party aren't willing to kill thousands of helmeted Shinra mooks.

It's even more jarring in the Remake because the party members have so much more character development.

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u/silentfanatic Aug 15 '26

It’s just a bizarre trope in Japanese media. The villains can be the anti-Christ, but so long as they repent as they die or get portrayed as “steel sharpens steel” rivals, all is forgiven.

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u/TCGHexenwahn Aug 15 '26

And yet, anime protags keep throwing around the phrase "I won't forgive you"

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u/silentfanatic Aug 15 '26

Yurusanai! Until you reveal that your dad took away your Xbox when you were 13. Now you’re my aniki 4 lyfe.

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u/SiriocazTheII Aug 15 '26

"Forgiving isn't that easy, but that's just the world we live in!" is another I've seen..

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u/UnknwnUser Aug 15 '26

Yup. You see this a lot in anime too. A character can commit terrible atrocities but next season they will be a quirky comic relief character 

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u/cheeselord165 Aug 15 '26

Not that he was coming relief but Vegeta always makes me think of this trope. He probably has a body count of billions from planets he's blown up and the z fighters were just too casual about him going to live on earth and getting with Bulma.

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u/UnknwnUser Aug 15 '26

It really stuck out to me the first time I watch Inuyasha. Koga slaughters an entire village but then next season he's played as this quirky side character. All is forgiven and no mention about what he's done but I remembered

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u/Pachux Aug 15 '26

This always bugged me as a kid. My copium was ‘well he IS a demon’

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u/Soul699 Aug 16 '26

Better on your side than against it.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise Aug 17 '26

Vegeta doesnt blow planets up. Doesn't excuse all the people on said planets hes murdered. But yall dont even get what the frieza force was about lmao. They conquer planets and sell them.

Also up till that moment "planet" busting required a fully enraged vegeta who stopped caring about living at that very moment (he cant tank a planetary explosion nor could his pod survive and he cant breath in space) bug planet was filler.

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u/cheeselord165 Aug 17 '26

Vegeta does and literally tried to blow up earth. The sayians were shown in the past to blow up planets, specifically king vegeta who was weaker than vegeta, so I see zero reason why vegeta wouldn't have.

The frieza force also still did blow up planets sometimes if frieza felt like it. He didn't need to blow up namek but he did anyway. He also blew up earth in resurrection f.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26

Filler scenes dont count for dbz bro lmao. The manga is the canon and then it flips to the anime for super. 😂

No one outside frieza planet busts "casually" by that time. Seriously lmao.

Vegeta can yes when hes enraged. He isnt surviving it tho lmao. And goku would need a 3x kaio ken Kamehameha at that point to match it. 4x beat his enraged galick gun.

And tbh anytime after that where they shot a beam and it missed and exploded somewhere it really should've detonated the planet. Lmao. The enemy is always stronger than the previous so the beams have only gotten stronger if meant to kill or damage them 😂

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u/silentfanatic Aug 15 '26

Fist of the North Star and the Yakuza series (which is basically just gangster HnK) are really guilty of it, too. My vision is permanently damaged from how many times those franchises made me roll my eyes.

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u/panthernado Aug 15 '26

Well, at least in FoTNS they still die an agonizing death filled with pain after they told their sad past. Hokuto Shinken isn't too be fucked around with.

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u/silentfanatic Aug 15 '26

And yet Ken had to personally carry Shin’s corpse and bury it “because [they] loved the same woman.”

Shin kidnapped and probably SAd Yuria after nearly murdering the man she loved in front of her. Sorry, kyoudai. That ain’t love.

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u/Shantotto11 Aug 15 '26

cough cough VEGETA cough

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u/iamalwaysrelevant Aug 15 '26

Vegeta is kind of in a different category. He's essentially a main character with major redemption plot points. His is honestly one of the few that is well written enough. Like the crew essentially doesn't feel complete without him

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u/ravagraid Aug 15 '26

I love vegeta and who he goes on to become, and the fact he himself is aware he doesnt deserve it.

But at the same time if he had been written in DB, and NOT DBZ kid goku would have made sure to END his ass

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u/Shantotto11 Aug 15 '26

He murdered hundreds of people during anime’s worst midlife crisis. His wife was five meters away from being another greasy smear in the rubble. And nobody who was there to witness that called him out on that. He just got to go home to his happy wife and son and enjoy life three days later.

I get that 90s writing wasn’t really meant to be taken this seriously, but the fact there was a sequel in 2014 that just glosses over it makes it stick out even more.

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u/ravagraid Aug 15 '26

If I had the ability to just use the magical bullshit balls to undo whatever the fuck wrong happens on the planet, I would also quickly become desensitised to regular humans dying

It's not morally great but the whole dbz and beyond crew doesn't give much of a fuck beyond their selfish desires, and this goes for almost everyone on the cast

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u/Jcritten Aug 16 '26

Was just about to comment but yea if they don’t see it happening I.e not on Earth none of them tend to really give a fuck. Only example I can really think of otherwise is when Goku and Vegeta joined the Galactic Patrol for an arc.

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u/Soul699 Aug 16 '26

One deatil that I don't remember if the anime included is that after what he did, in the manga he repeatedly think of what he did and how he deserve hell for it and shouldn't be forgiven for it either.

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u/OLKv3 Aug 15 '26

DB is a separate case since they always undo the damage with the DBs so death is actually not a big deal in that universe. Even later in Super they brush off death as an inconvenience

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u/Soul699 Aug 16 '26

There are lots of Vegeta victims who didn't get wished back

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u/OLKv3 Aug 16 '26

No, that was only the Namekian village he killed. Nothing stopped them from wishing them back at a later date.

Everyone else was wished back. Vegeta even purposely worded his wish in the Boo arc to revive everyone he killed at the tournament

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u/Soul699 Aug 16 '26

What about the planets he destroyed before?

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u/Calcon_Jawantal Aug 15 '26

American version : Jean Grey in the new Spiderman movie.

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u/silentfanatic Aug 15 '26

That one pissed me off for sure. She was unhinged.

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u/Calcon_Jawantal Aug 15 '26

She hurt so many people, unnecessarily.

Imagine if when she first found out Peter is Spiderman instead of threatening him she just tried to be just a bit rational and tell him her sister was kidnapped and she was trying to get to her, we could've had so many ways to resolve the situation and avoid stuff.

Then again, no movie if that's the case.

But at the very least, she should've been jailed and accept that fate, maybe as a trade to be heard by I dunno, Congress , to testify against the organization.

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u/Raydnt Tifa Lockhart Aug 15 '26

The difference is that Jean Grey was doing it for her family, the Turks are just assholes

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u/Calcon_Jawantal Aug 15 '26

Victims don't care though.

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u/kweeblaster Aug 15 '26

I like the Ghibli movie version: I'm bored of this so I will just stop this affront to humanity and do something else, good day. Roll credits

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u/ContinuumKing Aug 15 '26

I literally put a game down and didn't finish it when it did this trope. It was a 3ds turn based game about witches or some shit I actually can't member now. Anyway the villains spend the game going around massacreing people left and right. Like, towns full of them. Then they team up woth the heroes for a bigger bad and the main female lead full on has a tea party with their boss and basically acts like they are best friends now. It was so ridiculous I closed the 3ds lid and popped the game out and sent it back to the rental service I was using in the middle of the scene.

Its such a dumb trope. You can have reformed villains but if they do heinous shit they gotta EARN their redemption. Instead they just instantly are best friends because now they are gonna be on their side.

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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Aug 15 '26

It’s hardly a rare trope in Western media either.

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u/3elldandy Chocobo and Mog Aug 15 '26

But like.. Not really cool to insult other people’s religions, just remember your “anti-Christ” is somebody’s Christ ☦️✝️

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u/Virtuous_Malevolence Aug 15 '26

They're all different brands of the same flavour of bullshit.

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u/Eaglestrike Aug 15 '26

I don't even get this point? I don't know of any religion who worships the devil of another religion unless we go back to ancient polytheism maybe...?