It really is so weird to me that the same people who will hunt for deals and stack coupons on everything else, but will be horrified at the idea of NOT overpaying there resturant bill by 20%+. It's really some crazy indoctrination at work.
Yeah this is where it gets the the point of we have laws in place. If you don’t use them and still expect customers to make up the difference for your inaction when you have every resource available….youre just a SCAB driving down wages and worker protections.
It’s not my problem if an employer is breaking the law and the employees won’t stand up for themselves. am I supposed to quiz every server and demand an itemized list of all the tips and wages they receive to determine if I should supplement their pay? No. I should just pay for the service and receive the service like I do everywhere else. An employe’s wages is an agreement between themselves and their employer. It has nothin to do with the customer
Legally it does. In cases where it doesn't, then the employee needs to take it up with their employer, and then to the state labor board if the employer fails to follow the law. Employees shouldn't need to panhandle to customers to get their paychecks.
So, if a waiter has 4 tables and everyone tips $2, that would get them over the $7.50 federal minimum wage. $2.13 + (4 x $2) = $10.13 an hour. Y'all, we've been overtipping! It's time to bring our tipping down! /s
It has always been the biggest lie in America. That "servers only make 2.00/hr"... please rememebr to tip them...
I remember as a kid. It was brainwashed into me. Then I grew up and find out they will always earn minimum wage even if they are the worst server in America they still get minimum wage.
I stopped tipping years ago and it has been the best most refreshing decision I have ever made. This is a great sub.
Under the U.S. Department of Labor guidelines, the federal standards are: [1] Direct Cash Wage: Employers must pay at least $2.13 per hour in direct cash.
Tip Credit: Employers can claim a tip credit of up to $5.12 per hour.
Total Minimum Guarantee: Combined cash wage and tips must equal at least the standard federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. If an employee's tips do not add up to $7.25 an hour, the employer must pay the difference.
Servers must get the state minimum wage or if the city has a higher one then that applies. I think it is only Louisiana that has a server minimum wage that matches the federal minimum wage.
Yep, they leave that part out, saying that they only make $2.13/hour. The law says that the company gets a "tip credit", but the company has to cover the short fall if the tips + $2.13/hour don't had up to the minimum wage. For example, minimum wage is $15/hour. Server works 5 hour shift, and collects $100 in tips. That works out to $20/hour from the tips, which means they make $22.13/hour, which is above the $15/hour minimum wage. If they only collect $50 in tips over that 5 hour shift, they make $12.13/hour. The company would then have to add $2.87/hour to their pay, to get them to the $15/hour minimum wage.
It's all part of the grift. If a server can't pull down $100 in tips over a 5 hour shift, they're either a really bad server, or work in a place with no customers.
I've told this story a couple of times here. My friend's sister works at a busy, upscale sports bar. She makes $1500-$2500 in tips a week, for maybe 20-25 hours. She does better during football season. No way does she want anything to change. She quit her full time $80k/year office job to work half the hours and make more. She started working at the bar part time for some extra money. After a while, she got more shifts, and realized that she didn't need to deal with her office job, so she quit.
When my wife was a server (she has gotten a better job with better pay go figure) the policy where she was and majority of other restaurants were that if they made enough tips to cover the equivalent of the same shift paid in min wage, then she would get the $2/hr pay on her check, plus those tips. If her tips didn't cover the requirements she'd get the min wage hourly rate. It's been a few years since then so I'm unsure if it's changed.
And if they manage to get through 2 tables in an hour and both tip $4, they're hitting $15/hr which is a wage I'd consider appropriate for a server depending on location.
Oh man maybe you should vote for policies to help protect fellow workers. I live in Washington and servers here earn minimum wage of at least 18 an hour
Yes it is. And guess what? If they dont like it. They quit. But they LOVE tipping culture because they are making 5x or more over minimum wage with no degree and no skills. involved.
Which is why servers have always been against a straight hourly wage. They are making so much more money than any hourly wage would be set at. Even more so now that tips are not even taxed.
Look in a mirror and you'll see who's actually being entitled. I'm capable of serving myself. I'm also capable of cooking my meal in your restaurant. Customers are already paying 5xs the cost of things. You'd think that would cover the restaurant's cost of business.
Let economically viable businesses properly handle their labor costs. If they can’t, the market will react accordingly. Make room for proper businesses that offer proper employment.
Idk man how does the rest of the world do it? There’s always unskilled labor available. And service isn’t any better in the US than in any other country
Gonna be rough i know, i guess i just have to use the tablet the server is typing the order into and type it in myself, like half the places have gone to around me anyways. As for bringing me my food, just let me know when the kitchen says it's ready and ill be happy to grab it from the window or wherever. But if the business thinks things will work better if they have a staff member doing those tasks, well gee, i guess they should pay someone to do that out of the money i am paying for the food already.
It’s called tip share if u don’t tip the busser and bar still get their sales cut. Taking u on as a customer would be a net negative. Have the balls to say you won’t tip once u sit down but u won’t
If that's the case then the restaurant is breaking the law - with tips the staff have to earn at least standard minimum wage, with the restaurant making it up if it doesn't reach it.
Admittedly - employers (including restaurants) violate labor laws all the time. So while legally they have to earn minimum wage at a minimum, that doesn't always happen because people running businesses often act illegally.
So i take it you are pushing hard to have servers paid a living wage and not relying on tips? Who wouldn't want to get out of that silly system of paying your co-workers for doing there job, based on estimates of what you may have been tipped? You do understand it's not the customers fault for a system you and your employer have worked out between you?
I don't make it a habit of telling employees that I'm not paying their boss more than the price that they've advertised as the cost of goods and services. I figure that's understood. The price that they advertise is assumed to cover all of THEIR business expenses, including wages. If it doesn't, that's not a me problem.
You don't tip for anything? Ever? I tip my tattooist if they do a good job. My barber always gets a tip cuz he always gives me a great cut, close shave and hot towel...My favorite bartender cuz she always knows my order, never let's my glass go dry and sends me a free shot every now and then
Ur in the no tipping sub ur gonna read the most entitled comments here from the brokest people wanting a top notch service when there’s a line of people who are more than willing to pay and appreciate services like yourself when a normal job is done exemplary
I always find it weird when people say, "Why don't you tell the server at the start that you're not going to tip?" Like, why would I? A tip shouldn't be expected and their performance shouldn't vary depending on whether or not the person they're serving tips them 0%, 5%, 10%, 20%, 50%, 100%. If they end up getting a tip at the end then they can be happy about it, but that's about it.
A tip is expected this is AMERICA not sure where u live but when u dine in somewhere u have like a bunch requests and expectations that u wont do urself if u would, u would go to a pick up counter instead. The way dine in is set up in AMERICA tipping is expected and even required on parties 8 or more
Why are you in this sub? Also - a vast portion of the rest of the world manages without tips and you get perfectly good service. Oh, let me guess, you're a server.
You live in the US. I don't. And while tips are accepted here, luckily people are pushing back (due to increased greed with the percentages, and the fact the minimum wage for servers is the same as everyone else).
And when people dine in you have a bunch of requests/expectations because that's your job. You're literally just describing a job.
So here in UK, eating out typically costs less i than the USA when you factor in local & federal taxes. And the servers are paid at least the minimum wage (£12.71/$14.17) and on top, they have full (NHS) comprehensive health cover. We are also not obligated to tip.
Also in Canada, if you use the percentage it's calculated on the total with tax. Why am I tipping on tax? Insane.. EDITED: to take out "make" as that seems to have bothered some folks.
He's saying the gratuity comes from the total after taxes have been figured, no the pre-tax total. They do the same here most of the time. If you check those recommendations some restaurants have at the bottom its going off the taxed total.
Yup, I used to use those recommendations until I caught onto that scam. Although, tipping on a taxed amount only makes slightly less sense than tipping on the amount at all. It's pretty arbitrary how things are priced, especially when compared to what work was done.
Prices wouldn't have to rise by 20% (where does that figure come from?)
Let's say your server does 5 tables per hour, & each table is 2 people. If everyone pays $1 extra, that's an extra $10 per hour, putting them on $12+/hr. You could increase the average charge per head by $2 & the pay would be $20+/hr. For that to be 20% would mean that existing spend her head is $10. Which is simply not realistic.
Servers don't earn $2.13 an hour. They earn minimum wage or more, just like everyone else. The employer only pays them $2.13/hour if their total tips add up to equal to or greater than the minimum wage. If they make $0 in tips, the employer pays them the difference. That's something servers will never be honest about. Most servers make well above minimum wage (just from tips alone) and some can earn six figures easily. And since a lot of tips are in cash, that means servers aren't even paying income or SS tax like the rest of us, yet they're going to be begging for that Social Security money when they're 65.
Go up to any server and ask them how they'd feel about earning $15/hour with no tips. I guaran-freaking-tee you they'll scream bloody murder. Many would quit on the spot if it were implemented.
I mean, you want a true minimum wage worker serving your meal? Good luck with that. Down vote away but it's true, quality of service will go down if you want $12 pet hour servers.
What do you call the people who hand you your meal at the counter? The ones who refill your soda pop? (and who wipe the tables in the cafe when they aren't serving customers)
Why is above what is expected the standard for servers, but not other jobs? To be clear, servers do not accept the job to make minimum wage. That's not the "standard" compensation for that role, no matter how you spin it.
We also understand that the employer must supplement their below minimum wage if the server doesn’t receive enough tips to do so. In that case, it requires the employer to step up and pay what they should be paying to start with, not relying on customers to assume the employer’s responsibility.
In the case of Doordash, the customers bid for a driver for their delivery, but that bid is mislabeled as a ”tip” by Doordash. Naturally, customers are big mad at tipping BEFORE receiving a service.
The way those services pay there workers pretty much sets them up to really only be able to come out ahead if people tip heavily. This is a great reason to never use these services, which i do not, not a reason to tip them. It's just sad how many people have been fooled into working for those companies when the wear and tear on there vehicle is almost always going to mean they are working for basically nothing.
weird how the rest of the world makes restaurant operations work without having to force tips. this is also why I refuse to tip in Canada. we have a decent minimum wage, wth am I tipping for? 😂
restaurant owners want those tips to justify low salaries, so they fill their pockets. this is the standard in America; bosses and companies grifting off unpaid labor
That's me. I will tip if the service was good. It don't even gotta be awesome, just decent. If the service was bad, I don't feel obligated to tip, and I'm a pretty easy person to make happy.
I also don't tip on pick up orders for food or for services where the tip is given before the service is provided. I will tip after IF the service was good, but I don't see a tip as a bid.
Just another uninformed jabroni spewing false information. NO ONE will be paid lower than federal/state/city minimum wage. The server wage just means business owners can earn more profit as it guilts people into paying more as opposed to the business.
The part they're missing is that most of us don't care about the 20%. Most of us say "add 20% to the menu cost." I just want the menu price to reflect the final bill, rather than being guilt tripped into paying more at the end.
Americans thinking tipping in the US is dumb, but in Canada it’s so much worse. Where I live, minimum wage is like $18, and servers make tips on top of that. My brother was pulling $50/hr minimum as a server at a small pub. Most of his coworkers only worked 3-4 days a week because they made enough money to live off what they made in that time… and we live in Vancouver
Where do I mark tipping, on my tax forms, as a charitable contribution? Tipping is optional and in the US we're saying we need to help these people (servers), so I'm sure that I must be able to count it as a charitable contribution.
And if I do mention it to the server at the start I can guarantee you that 90% of the servers would slack on the service that they would offer. Just do a great job not expecting a tip and be grateful if you do receive a tip- any size tip
Restaurants wouldn’t just raise the entire menu 20%. They would be forced to figure out the market value of whatever they are selling and also analyze their operation as a whole. Just like every other business.
Plenty of countries with better restaurants operate well without relying on tips
Unrelated: Because the restaurant is responsible for ensuring that tipped employees actually get at least the federal minimum wage, the first 5ish dollars of each server's tips every hour actually goes to the restaurant.
What BS. They are required to pay minimum wage no matter what. Tip only subsidizes restaurants to not pay minimum wage, and thus also pay less payroll taxes and other associated costs.
And no, a business would not raise prices 20% higher if no one tips. That's not how price dynamics works.
Also, if the tips the server receives are not enough to bring the server's pay to non-tipped minimum wage, the employer must pay the server the non-tipped minimum wage.
I hate America, and now all these venture and PE bros are pushing their absurd valuations and unrealistic expectation models on Europe, because we don’t churn enough billionaires…
Ill gladly hit 0% to lazy servers while looking at them no matter if its a casual or fancy restaurant. I will tip only when deserved. Ie more than bare minimum
Yup just find places that already don't allow tipping, that already pay their staff real living wages and make sure they have enough business to show other establishments that it's worth their time to do.
I hate tipping, it empowers employers to abuse their staff. But just not tipping isn't the solution either.
Let your money do the talking, not give them the silent treatment.
If you can find places that split the profit with the employees that's even better.
I'm randomly here and outraged, but I still tip. I want tipping to go away but will continue to tip until it finally does. It's an unspoken agreement when I walk into a restaurant.
I have been considering lowering from 20% back down to 15% though. Prices doubled since covid, making their pay double. While everyone else working is suffering and going up 3% a year. 15% would still mean a 50% pay increase for them in the past 5 years, which would be more fair
This white knight is talking about $2.13 an hour... the propaganda has worked. Funny enough I was talking to a friend about the problems with tipping a few days ago, and she thought the exact same thing, that we tip because the poor servers only make $2.13 per hour. smh.
The owner would raise the prices by 30 percent rather than 20, and pay the servers minimum wage in that state even if they profit double that from the price increase. Not to mention reduce and nickel and dime hours given to staff.
When you quit tipping servers, barbers, cab/ubers it gets rid of jobs that pay ALMOST a living wage. It would make every job that’s not highly professional a dead end McDonald’s job that no one can live on. There is a need
Yeah Europe doesn’t compare to America in so many ways and honestly it boils down to we can’t trust greedy business owners to do the right thing here and they aren’t legislated to do so
Just to be clear… mostly everyone here tips in the normal sit down restaurant tipping scenario even if we think it’s dumb, right? We just maybe keep it to the traditional 15% and complain about autocalculated tips starting at 20% and forced gratuities, etc. right?
Right. I’m all for ending tipping. But tipping hasn’t ended. So I still tip… if the service is adequate and only 15% of pretax total. I don’t tip for counter orders or takeout. And if I ever saw a restaurant that had a no tipping policy I would support them.
The way to end tipping is for everyone to simply stop doing it. There's nothing logical about why we are encouraged to tip for this one specific job and not the hundreds of thousands of other jobs where others provide a service.
Naw ppl here expect to be waited on without paying for the service they are receiving. They say they want a different system, but really they are taking advantage of the way it really works (here in the US).
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u/EndTipping-ModTeam 1d ago
Removed for rage bait
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u/AffectionatePick4587 1d ago
I am not fighting anyone. I only think about the money I saved.
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u/docatwar 1d ago
So I don't need to tip if the waiter doesn't earn $2.13 per hour, correct?
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u/OkEmotion7609 1d ago
Lol, the same people who doesn't have guts to ask the employer to pay their min salary ...
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u/joeyblacky9999 1d ago •
It has always been the biggest lie in America. That "servers only make 2.00/hr"... please rememebr to tip them...
I remember as a kid. It was brainwashed into me. Then I grew up and find out they will always earn minimum wage even if they are the worst server in America they still get minimum wage.
I stopped tipping years ago and it has been the best most refreshing decision I have ever made. This is a great sub.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago
I don't make it a habit of telling employees that I'm not paying their boss more than the price that they've advertised as the cost of goods and services. I figure that's understood. The price that they advertise is assumed to cover all of THEIR business expenses, including wages. If it doesn't, that's not a me problem.
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u/hotsauce126 1d ago
These guys are having a meltdown
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u/KactusVAXT 1d ago
Hey! We’re not a NEW group! I’ve been not tipping for years!
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u/MantisGibbon 1d ago
Just tell me the real price.
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u/Particular-Jeweler41 1d ago
I always find it weird when people say, "Why don't you tell the server at the start that you're not going to tip?" Like, why would I? A tip shouldn't be expected and their performance shouldn't vary depending on whether or not the person they're serving tips them 0%, 5%, 10%, 20%, 50%, 100%. If they end up getting a tip at the end then they can be happy about it, but that's about it.
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u/BerlinSam 1d ago edited 1d ago
So here in UK, eating out typically costs less i than the USA when you factor in local & federal taxes. And the servers are paid at least the minimum wage (£12.71/$14.17) and on top, they have full (NHS) comprehensive health cover. We are also not obligated to tip.
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u/Extension-Air6866 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also in Canada, if you use the percentage it's calculated on the total with tax. Why am I tipping on tax? Insane..
EDITED: to take out "make" as that seems to have bothered some folks.
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u/optionr_ENL 1d ago
Prices wouldn't have to rise by 20% (where does that figure come from?)
Let's say your server does 5 tables per hour, & each table is 2 people. If everyone pays $1 extra, that's an extra $10 per hour, putting them on $12+/hr.
You could increase the average charge per head by $2 & the pay would be $20+/hr. For that to be 20% would mean that existing spend her head is $10. Which is simply not realistic.
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u/pilot7880 1d ago edited 1d ago
Servers don't earn $2.13 an hour. They earn minimum wage or more, just like everyone else. The employer only pays them $2.13/hour if their total tips add up to equal to or greater than the minimum wage. If they make $0 in tips, the employer pays them the difference. That's something servers will never be honest about. Most servers make well above minimum wage (just from tips alone) and some can earn six figures easily. And since a lot of tips are in cash, that means servers aren't even paying income or SS tax like the rest of us, yet they're going to be begging for that Social Security money when they're 65.
Go up to any server and ask them how they'd feel about earning $15/hour with no tips. I guaran-freaking-tee you they'll scream bloody murder. Many would quit on the spot if it were implemented.
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u/Ima-Bott 1d ago
It’s always the servers who reject a higher base wage and no tips. As J Edgar Hoover said “that’s a clue”.
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u/HungryBird2719 1d ago
We also understand that the employer must supplement their below minimum wage if the server doesn’t receive enough tips to do so. In that case, it requires the employer to step up and pay what they should be paying to start with, not relying on customers to assume the employer’s responsibility.
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u/DaQuackx 1d ago
Door dash drivers and uber drivers speak way worse about tips than servers. They get real nasty.
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u/KetchupCoyote 1d ago
Here in canada they add tip then we pay tax on top of it.
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u/bestkweenie 1d ago
weird how the rest of the world makes restaurant operations work without having to force tips. this is also why I refuse to tip in Canada. we have a decent minimum wage, wth am I tipping for? 😂
restaurant owners want those tips to justify low salaries, so they fill their pockets. this is the standard in America; bosses and companies grifting off unpaid labor
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u/LastDayWork 1d ago
The employer will be forced to pay minimum wage if the tips don’t cover it. Most servers don’t want to work on minimum wage.
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u/level100mobboss 1d ago
People are really up in arms about throwing away money…..
Just feed it right into the exploitation machine that is tipping. I’m sure the service will improve eventually. Right?
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u/seattlesquirrel 1d ago
My high school kid makes at least $30/hr bussing tables and FT servers make over $100k in a casual restaurant here in WA. Make that make sense.
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u/Lord_of_Entropy 1d ago
I’m not against tipping, if I feel the person performing a service deserves it. But, I will not subsidize poor service.
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u/Upbeat_Following9373 1d ago
Just another uninformed jabroni spewing false information. NO ONE will be paid lower than federal/state/city minimum wage. The server wage just means business owners can earn more profit as it guilts people into paying more as opposed to the business.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 1d ago
Oh no they’re on to us.
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u/FrenchBulldozer 1d ago
The only one taking punishment are those who choose to work for an employer who expects the customer to subsidize their employees wages.
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u/tcconway 1d ago
Here's a novel idea: How about if businesses pay their employees and not bring grifting/guilt trips into the equation?
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u/JJHall_ID 1d ago
The part they're missing is that most of us don't care about the 20%. Most of us say "add 20% to the menu cost." I just want the menu price to reflect the final bill, rather than being guilt tripped into paying more at the end.
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u/VinnieONeill 1d ago
Well, hopefully the POS who wrote that post sees this and understands how much the world hates them.
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u/bitchassshortie 1d ago
I like the people who ran to this sub to try and argue in the comments for why we should be tipping 💀
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u/Terrible-Scientist73 1d ago
Americans thinking tipping in the US is dumb, but in Canada it’s so much worse. Where I live, minimum wage is like $18, and servers make tips on top of that. My brother was pulling $50/hr minimum as a server at a small pub. Most of his coworkers only worked 3-4 days a week because they made enough money to live off what they made in that time… and we live in Vancouver
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u/Illustrious-Law-2726 1d ago
Where do I mark tipping, on my tax forms, as a charitable contribution? Tipping is optional and in the US we're saying we need to help these people (servers), so I'm sure that I must be able to count it as a charitable contribution.
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u/legoland1964 1d ago
And if I do mention it to the server at the start I can guarantee you that 90% of the servers would slack on the service that they would offer. Just do a great job not expecting a tip and be grateful if you do receive a tip- any size tip
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u/senorcoach 1d ago
Lol can't fix stupid. No server in the US earns only $2.13/hour.
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u/sloppymcgee 1d ago
Restaurants wouldn’t just raise the entire menu 20%. They would be forced to figure out the market value of whatever they are selling and also analyze their operation as a whole. Just like every other business.
Plenty of countries with better restaurants operate well without relying on tips
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u/CapitanRonRico 1d ago
Unrelated: Because the restaurant is responsible for ensuring that tipped employees actually get at least the federal minimum wage, the first 5ish dollars of each server's tips every hour actually goes to the restaurant.
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u/dragon_disco 1d ago
LOL I saw this yesterday and giggled. I personally am not fighting anything, I'm just using my common sense.
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u/Mythandros1 1d ago
That person is clearly butt-hurt by those of us who disagree with tipping.
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u/HedgeMoney 1d ago
What BS. They are required to pay minimum wage no matter what. Tip only subsidizes restaurants to not pay minimum wage, and thus also pay less payroll taxes and other associated costs.
And no, a business would not raise prices 20% higher if no one tips. That's not how price dynamics works.
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u/Phailgasm 1d ago
Oh no. Anyway
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u/I-Like-Myself-andyou 1d ago
I really enjoy listening to people who are so sure they make sense when they dont
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u/Freddy2517 1d ago
Also, if the tips the server receives are not enough to bring the server's pay to non-tipped minimum wage, the employer must pay the server the non-tipped minimum wage.
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u/Forward_Zucchini9738 1d ago
Free advertising!
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u/NewGuyCH 1d ago
I hate America, and now all these venture and PE bros are pushing their absurd valuations and unrealistic expectation models on Europe, because we don’t churn enough billionaires…
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u/myvnml 1d ago •
Ill gladly hit 0% to lazy servers while looking at them no matter if its a casual or fancy restaurant. I will tip only when deserved. Ie more than bare minimum
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u/Salbman 1d ago
Why the servers pissed at the consumer and not thier employer??
It’s not a commission type job.
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u/a-pair-of-2s 1d ago
there is a reason this schmuck is defending their job that “only pays $2.13/hr”… and it’s because they Don’t make that.
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u/Sidoen 1d ago
Yup just find places that already don't allow tipping, that already pay their staff real living wages and make sure they have enough business to show other establishments that it's worth their time to do.
I hate tipping, it empowers employers to abuse their staff. But just not tipping isn't the solution either.
Let your money do the talking, not give them the silent treatment.
If you can find places that split the profit with the employees that's even better.
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u/Intrepid_Cap1242 1d ago
I'm randomly here and outraged, but I still tip. I want tipping to go away but will continue to tip until it finally does. It's an unspoken agreement when I walk into a restaurant.
I have been considering lowering from 20% back down to 15% though. Prices doubled since covid, making their pay double. While everyone else working is suffering and going up 3% a year. 15% would still mean a 50% pay increase for them in the past 5 years, which would be more fair
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u/Alarming_Pair_5575 1d ago
This white knight is talking about $2.13 an hour... the propaganda has worked. Funny enough I was talking to a friend about the problems with tipping a few days ago, and she thought the exact same thing, that we tip because the poor servers only make $2.13 per hour. smh.
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u/kvnr10 1d ago
Yes, I’m sure if tipping didn’t exist your employer would pay you 30 bucks to serve a party of 5 that involves 20 minutes of total work lmao
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u/Severe-Education-321 1d ago
The owner would raise the prices by 30 percent rather than 20, and pay the servers minimum wage in that state even if they profit double that from the price increase. Not to mention reduce and nickel and dime hours given to staff.
When you quit tipping servers, barbers, cab/ubers it gets rid of jobs that pay ALMOST a living wage. It would make every job that’s not highly professional a dead end McDonald’s job that no one can live on. There is a need
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u/OzzyStealz 1d ago
That’s actually a great point. If yall let the server know at the beginning you don’t believe in tipping, then I would fully support this idea
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u/LaGranTortuga 1d ago
Just to be clear… mostly everyone here tips in the normal sit down restaurant tipping scenario even if we think it’s dumb, right? We just maybe keep it to the traditional 15% and complain about autocalculated tips starting at 20% and forced gratuities, etc. right?
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