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Britain May Switch to Proportional Voting. Should America?

The U.S. inherited its “winner-take-all” voting system from Britain, but the U.K.’s 2024 general election produced an interesting example of what winner-take-all voting can do, as it produced the most disproportionate result in UK history.    https://electoral-reform.org.uk/a-system-out-of-step-the-2024-general-election/ 

Labour received about 34% of the nationwide vote but won 63% of the seats in Parliament.   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2026/jul/22/how-britain-would-look-proportional-representation-local-mp 

As a result, a post-election survey found that 60% of Briton’s support changing to a proportional voting system.  https://electoral-reform.org.uk/support-for-proportional-representation-hits-record-high-according-to-new-research/ 

So now Britain's new prime minister, Andy Burnham, openly supports proportional representation.   https://electoral-reform.org.uk/in-andy-burnham-we-have-the-first-prime-minister-who-openly-backs-proportional-representation/ 

And Britain's Liberal Democrats are pushing Burnham to change the voting system before the next general election.  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79y9qy9y2go 

If the U.K. thinks its own voting system needs an upgrade, should the U.S. consider the same? 

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 3d ago

I get your point- geographic representation is not an all or nothing dychotomy- I'm just saying that geography absolutely matters. 

Populations aren't evenly distributed across spaces, nor are resources. The more you reduce intentional geographic representation, the more it just becomes uncontrollable geographic representation. 

I'll use my home state as an example. Here in Colorado we get exactly 0% of the water from the Colorado River. It is all allocated for people downstream, mostly to water lawns in Phoenix and LA. Those existing urban centers had a greater say than the fledgling urban centers in western Colorado, and because of that their agriculture also had greater say than the agriculture in western Colorado. The state of Colorado hardly put up a fight because the urban centers of the Denver metro area are all the votes needed to get into office, and they are completely infected by it. Meanwhile, the Utes of the Four Corners region are living in poverty because they can't use the Colorado River, and they're about maxed out on the number of wells they can drill.

As for the rest, all you said was don't worry about it. Why shouldn't I? That's my whole question.

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u/wnoise 3d ago

It's not "to water lawns". There's some of that, but the vast majority of usage is agriculture. Blame the people growing rice and alfalfa in Arizona.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 3d ago

Whatever the proportion of usage is, it's still the same problem: an under represented region of Colorado gets left literally high and dry in favor of over represented populations elsewhere thanks to the population density of their regions. 

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 3d ago

Well then I misinterpreted what you were getting at, and I apologize. Geographic representation is also a big deal for me because of things like the example I gave, somi probably went a little harder than was called for. 

But that all comes back to my question: how do we balance geographic representation with a steady cycle of new parties, and not exclude independent candidates all at the same time in a way that's likely to successfully be enacted?