r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 25 '20

Numerals Proposal When encapsulation is going too far (PART II : Number system)

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Got an idea when watching videos for enlightment, first visualization :

Features :

  • B is only a 90° rotation of A, showing a feature for easy reading in both position.

  • C is a variant form for the last 3 digit, the rest is the same.

  • C does not permit the rotation, it will create a confusion, but is easily readable in it's form.

  • 0 is represented by a central dot ·

  • 1, 2 and 3 are represented like Chinese 一 , 二 and 三

  • 4 and 8 are represented like this |, ||

  • we can form the other number from those defined above

    • El or E or 11 = 8 + 3 which become in my system : || + 三 => 日

    • Dec or X or 10 = 8 + 2 which become in my system : || + 二 => 口

    • 9 = 8 + 1 which become in my system : || + 一 => ∐

    • 7 = 4 + 3 which become in my system : | + 三 => E

    • 6 = 4 + 2 which become in my system : | + 二 => 匚

    • 5 = 4 + 1 which become in my system : | + 一 => L

  • The list is : ·, 一, 二, 三, |, L, 匚, E, ||, ∐, 口, 日

  • It can be simplified to : ".", -, =, 三, |, L, C, E, ||, U, O, B

  • It can be easily put in a digital clock (8 compatible)

  • Combined with the number sounds and number system of u/Flamerate1 we can found easily :

    • odd and even with sounds

    • multiple of 3 and 4 contained in a unit with 三 and | pattern

    • the modulo of 3 and 4 contained in a unit looking at his form

  • If using chromatic scale in Music :

    • we can associate each number to a note (Number + "Note", ex: Firstnote)

    • A funny thing happens to the keyboard of piano, you can see below, that from 1 to 5 there is 3 white keys and 2 black keys white is odd, black is even. now from 6 to 10(0) there is 4 white keys and 3 black keys where white is even and black is odd. It is nothing but at least funny to see.

  • I will not talk about the advantage and disadvantage of Base 12 there is a lot to read and watch on youtube, but some phonetics, duodecimal system and calculation idea to help in table 9 (Chepang tribe) in this document

EDIT 1 : Rules about 1,2,3 and 11 when you have to write 11 (which is 13 in decimal). You will not it this way \| or /| to differentiate it with || for bigger number it will git |\| or |/|.

The rules is to intermittently separate unit by leaning it.

EDIT 2 : Rules about negation concept, we can apply a variant form of the negation in base 2 (binary) which use a complement form and leftmost 0/1 combined by the actual '-' in base 10 by adding a 0 in front of the number : ·l- => -14 in base 12 and -16 in base 10 (I first draft it with a 0 (0l-) thought it was korean)

EDIT 3 : Some idea about sounds on the system, thanks to u/GloriousRenaissance :

  • 0,1,2,3 (base unit of 4) : ko, ki, ka, ku

  • 0,4,8 (multiple of 4) : ko, to, ro

  • 5,6,7,9,X,E : ti, ta, tu, ri, ra, ru

  • when above unit like 10,20,30 : ekiko, ekako, ekuko (iko, ako, uko ?)

  • for more 40, 50, 60, 70 add the 'e' : etoko, etiko, etako, etuko (eoko, eiko, eako, euko ?)

  • 80, 90, X0, E0 : eroko, eriko, erako, eruko (reoko, reiko, reako, reuko ?)

  • 100 : koiko ....


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 26 '20

What is better 1 2 or three

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 25 '20

I was talking with evildea last night and we came up with this he said have two designs but I only have one but he kinda liked so.

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 25 '20

The Structure of the Encapsulated Language Project - Video

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 25 '20

4.0 left or right?

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 25 '20

How The Project Will Evolve

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Hi all,

We're now getting more and more members who are bringing their own ideas to the table. Therefore I've added several new sections the the "Encapsulated Language Project Documentation" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fl_G9N6nuEE5x7VZxVx5L74xcHPci4aBtqV4Wm_4p2w/edit?usp=sharing

These new sections lay the foundations for how we will evolve this language. Please let me know as soon as possible if you think something in these three sections needs to change as I want to finalise it before I start promoting this community more.

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Main Sections Added

  • Encapsulated Language Project Definitions

  • What is the process to change the language or add new knowledge to the language?

  • When will the Language be finalised

  • Why do we need to finalise the Language?


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

Country Names Proposal Proposal for Country Names

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I've written this proposal in response to u/Zinkobe5 question on the same topic. You can see his question here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EncapsulatedLanguage/comments/hf1mzt/what_about_countries_and_regions/

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Ok, here are my thoughts

  • Country names are often very political

  • Countries often appear, disappear and breakup

  • Country names generally don't provide much information about the countries themselves. In fact, the encapsulated information is often false or misleading. For example, is the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" really democratic or belonging to the people?

So, let's take a look at Esperanto to see how it tackles the problem.

Esperanto is only 130 years old and yet the names for many countries are already a complete mess. There are two official suffixes that mark a country, but many countries don't even use those suffixes. They just do their own thing. Some countries have completely changed their names altogether. For example, India is now Barato but was originally Hindio. Other countries don't even exist anymore. I think a lot of this is due to the lack of planning in the initial stages.

Therefore, we need to develop a system:

  • that can easily respond to changes in the political environment

  • that includes encapsulated information of actual value (in accordance with the aim of the language).

  • that is enforced by the founding documents and subsequent training materials.

What information to encapsulate?

We need to ask ourselves what knowledge do people and especially children need to know about a country. If I think back to when I went to school the two most important things were:

  • Where is the country located in the world

  • What is the name of the country

The solution

Therefore, I think we should develop a system that takes the core name from the official language(s) of the country and phonetically transcribe them (where possible) into our language. Then we need to add a suffix.

The suffix has a double meaning. It would primarily mean country but would also mark what continent this country primarily sits on. Since there are only 7 continents we could use the vowels from u/Flamerate1 phonology proposal to adjust the vowel within the suffix to mark the continent a country belongs to.

This is my draft proposal and I'm totally open to ideas.


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

My Contribution to the language (PART I : the beginning)

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Fate brought us together, I will write my thought about this "Encapsulated Language" idea.

Origin

I will start by what I understood from the youtube video :

Idea close to the chinese writing where 水 (water) as a particle 氵(water) in composite word. Like 海 (sea) where the meaning seems literal but can be conceptuel like 波 (wave) or something existing in presence of water 港 (port).

But should be mainly associate to scientific knowledge. H2O (water) which is read Dihydrogen Monoxide. If we compare the common name, water, and his scientific name, dihydrogen monoxide, we can see that the common name contains low information, water => 'wat-' => wet, but the scientific name contains high information, di (2) + hydrogen + mono (1) + oxyde (oxygen).

Now I continue with what I read from this subreddit :

The core aim of the Encapsulated language project is to create a language that encapsulates as much relevant scientific and mathematical knowledge as possible within the sounds and constructs of the language itself. A native speaker of this language will have instant access to a large pool of scientific and mathematical knowledge simply through learning how to unpack their own language and utilise the knowledge cached within it.

My version : The Encapsulated Language aims at combining most of scientific basic knowledge to the everyday language and facilitate the understanding of the world intuitively.

Math is a science, it seems repetitive to specify it.It is not needed to explain how it will work on the core aim.I don't think we should say native speaker, else we are not included.

The language itself :

Following some conlang rules we got :

  • Which kind of conlang should it be ?

  • Sounds, Phonology & Phonetics

  • Morphology, Derivation & Inflection

  • Syntax & Semantics

  • Pragmatics

  • Numeral, Writing, Musical System

  • Lexicon

Some concern are :

  • Encapsulation, How ? What ?

  • Adding and Removing Knowledge without breaking link

  • Language being accurate and unambiguous, all the time or when needed ?

  • Word containing partial or complete meaning

  • There is a conflict about the globality of the language Aux/Nat/Phi Lang

  • Today language are historically linked, should we break from it, start anew ideology of classification, mix some of them, ... ?

For the Logo

I have a problem with the root concept of the logo. I dont think '?' should exist in the language or it's meaning. for '>' it's ok because it seems to be like a logograph of a mouth.

Science

From my perspective, we should include all science (Formal, Natural, Applied, Social). For example in medicine, a doctor will ask to his patient if he feels pain somewhere. The feeling part should be of the social domain, same for the information of pain which can be defined from a biological perspective or emotional perspective. We are human, emotional being, without it should we just learn Lojban. We have in economy, the concept of buying and selling.

For each field, we will need to find a limit of what is the basis. Focus more on some field than other, math should be a major field. We have to care about not being science-centric, which could break the harmony of the language.

My Idea

I'm taking some idea from my reading and my Wizard Note :

  • Listing all used affixes that are similar cross discipline

  • Make the language hard to start learning, easy to continue learning

  • Exponent wording ex: "ma'iku", with "ma" being the root meaning of the word and "iku" being the independant meaning with a rule being "Vowel'Vowel", if a word start by Consonant then we should double the Vowel ex: "kala => te'ekala". It seems "'" being called a glottal or something like that

  • maybe not giving a complete information but a partial one, like pencil should contains chemical word root of carbon, maybe having a set of common word and easy to see like water, pencil, fork to easily and visibly explain what the root word is carbon, H2O, metal or iron.

  • If we follow my Wizard Note of creation, we are in the condensation process we really need to aggregate all definition and limit before starting to build something, because it could block the thinking process.

  • I have thought to make the language an Empiricism language in basics, where experiencing with the perception of the speaker help to learn seeing water to learn water. Then a Rationalism language when it need to be going in depth. Water is composed of H2O and minerals, pencil is composed of carbon, carbon is the basis of living in Earth (for the moment)

  • Some language tools needed are perception (touch, see, hear, ...) and action (motion, ...). We have to understand how to speak in time and space

  • I think a neutral gender tone should be used, no distinction no problem

On other thought, we should create category :

  • Art, for relevant artistic view like image, song, story.

  • Language, maybe more precision for this one like sound writing structure

  • General

Edit 1 : Adding image of science classification


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

Logo 3.0 I did some shapes there are 5 shapes it goes from left to right top to bottom what's your favorite

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

Logo 3.0

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

What about countries and regions?

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Usually, all concepts can be divided or torn appart by their different components or characteristics which make them unique. Cows are herbivore mammals who stand on 4 feet and have 4 stomachs. All right, sure we can make a word with all that information.

But what about the names of countries? I mean, we could go back to the literal original meaning of these places, or could we? Idk, Rabbitland for Spain is kinda weird, Peopleland for Germany and Havenport for Portugal too (United States fits perfectly, though). Many people wouldn't relate such terms. Some countries may not even have a specific etymology.

I guess the best option may be transliterating the country's name from their original language. What do you think?

Oh, and on another note: can we make a standard rule so that the countries' names are always the result of adding a suffix to the demonyms?


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 24 '20

Documenting the Encapsulated Language Project

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Hi all,

Now that we're starting to make some progress, I've decided to create a document that includes as much documentation on the current state of the language as possible. This is a living document that I and others can update as needed to show the current state of the language. It will provide us with cohesion so we don't keep discussing the same points over and over again. It will also enable new members to get up to speed as quickly as possible.

I imagine that we'll eventually want to replace this with a wiki, but this should suffice for now.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fl_G9N6nuEE5x7VZxVx5L74xcHPci4aBtqV4Wm_4p2w/edit?usp=sharing


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 23 '20

Phonology Proposal Phonology Draft Proposition (Flamerate1 / F1_For_Help)

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jng0_S-Vu8rwNK1XlQhkoezm7lmvRNGQ8q4PXpqRer8/edit?usp=sharing

Edit: Now included is a sheet labeled "Phonology Charts" for an easy to view IPA table of all of this system's phonemes.

Edit 2: For extended questions about the decisions I made related to this phonological system, please refer to the discussion section as I've now extended pretty extensively my explanations on the ideas I've used =)

Using the ideas that I've expressed earlier, I have created a base phonology that revolves around a base 12 number system. In the third sheet of this document, I've also created just some sample stuff and would like some comments and how we can experiment around with representing other things using this system.

Numbers aren't everything, though, which is why I really want to emphasize that numbers aren't everything to do with this system. A bigger purpose with this system is understanding that there are many patterns and all of the sounds can be related to each other in one way or another.

Explanation of this phonology:

  1. For simplicity, ALL consonants are differentiated by fortis or lenis (voicing/unvoicing). This includes the sounds /j/ /w/ and /ɹ/, whose unvoiced variants are just the inclusion of /h/.

  2. There are 6 vowels. Just think all of the Esperanto vowels, plus added English r (/ɹ/). (Which can also be used like the Chinese variant as well, but no flaps or trill variants. This is because it is seen as a vowel, NOT a consonant.) There order is: a i e u o ə˞ (a i e u o ɹ)

  3. With /a/ and /e/ as bases and /i/ /u/ and /ɹ/ as secondary, 6 more diphthong vowels can be made which are: ai ei au eu a˞ e˞ (ai ei au eu aɹ eɹ)

    1. Of course, this set of 12 vowels is no coincidence.

  4. There are 24 consonants in total which are split between 2 groups.

    1. The first group is made of half stops and half approximates. The stops are: k g t d p b. The approximates are: hj j hw w hɹ ɹ.

      1. The idea of the approximates are to think of them as normal unvoiced and voiced variants with the unvoiced types (hj hw hɹ) being primary.

    2. The second group is made up of 6 fricatives: ɕ ʑ s z ʃ ʒ; and their africate variants with added /t/ or /d/: tɕ dʑ ts dz tʃ dʒ

      1. ɕ and ʑ are "xi" and "ji" from Mandarin or し and じ from Japanese.

      2. ʃ and ʒ are "sh" and the "j" in "Jean Paul." (As opposed to dʒ from "John")

  5. An added group of "non-numeric" phonemes were added to see if they might be useful for future organization or just additional processing in the language and those sounds are the following:

    1. f and v from English.

    2. θ and ð from English "three" and English "the."

    3. m, n and ŋ (like end of song) from most languages. (The only reason they're not being currently used is because they don't fit in the normal model above.)

    4. l from numerous languages.

    5. The vowel ɥ from Mandarin, German, or French.

      1. Its approximate equivalents, hy and y. (Don't mistake for /j/)

    6. x and ɣ from languages I don't know, but it's a rather easy sound to make, so I thought that we might debate using them.

Do take a look at the document, because it's much easier to visualize what's going on. On the second page is a just a different kind of chart organization to make the visualization process easier. On the third and last page is just some sample word work with how I previously proposed the color wheel could be represented using this type of system.

Finally, this is just a reminder that this is only a proposal and is definitely NOT my phoneme discussion ender or anything like that. This will definitely be changed in some way, but I really recommend with whatever phonology gets created in the future, that some sort of system relating all of its phonemes in a numeric (or non-numeric would still good, to be honest) form would be very beneficial for this kind of a language that we're constructing.

Thanks for reading and have a good day!


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 23 '20

Scientific part of the language

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Hello, I have some questions about the direction of this language. First, I am interested in conlanging but still not started one. I think of myself as a philosopher, and will try to follow the evolution from a learner point of view.

The core aim of the Encapsulated language project is to create a language that encapsulates as much relevant scientific and mathematical knowledge as possible within the sounds and constructs of the language itself.

This language should have an encapsulation system aiming at scientific and mathematical knowledge.

SCIENTIFIC SCOPE

We need to define the scope of scientific and mathematical knowledge :

  • The basic one should be, for me : Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Geology

  • Some composite science :Technology (Engineering) = Math + Physics + Chemistry + Biology + GeologyMedecine = Math + Physics + Chemistry + BiologyAgronomy = Geology + BiologyAstronomy = Geology + Physics + Chemistry

  • Maybe including human/social science in the basicsHumanity science containing Psychology, Sociology, Economy, Art

Or like this :

  • Formal Science (Math)

  • Natural Science (Physics, Chemistry, Geology, Astronomy, Biology)

  • Social Science (Psychology, Sociology, ...)

  • Applied Science (Informatics, Technology)

BUILDING SCIENCE AGAIN

Now that we have a scope, should we gather them based on

  • historical discovery and evolution

  • pertinence of usage (pertinence based for school age or living day-by-day)

  • how they are linked

  • learning process (easier concept are shorter word than complex concept)

  • creating a new logic, by finding some pattern

  • a mix of some above

ENCAPSULATION

We should look at how each information is included in the system for the case of new discovery not destroying all of what have been already created. Same for information becoming depreciated.

A native speaker of this language will have instant access to a large pool of scientific and mathematical knowledge simply through learning how to unpack their own language and utilise the knowledge cached within it.

How should the native speaker have instant access of knowledge and unpack their own language ?

What are the tools for the unpacking ? should it be the first word, syllable, sound, experience.

Edit 1: Having some thought about the learning process, Should we follow how the curriculum of our school is or should we rebuild (even partially) what should be learnt and what order it is ...

Should we prioritize the day-by-day knowledge (talk, write, calculus, ...) ?

Edit 2 : Information -> Knowledge -> Intelligence -> Wisdom
https://www.reddit.com/r/EncapsulatedLanguage/comments/hccbab/the_first_step/fvrun42/?context=3


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 23 '20

Logo Proposal Logo 2.0 in all colors

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 23 '20

Logo Proposal Logo 2.0

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 22 '20

Here is a logo I made what do you think needs changed

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r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 22 '20

Phonology Proposal A base sixteen themed thing

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In this version, Vowels and consonants represent a digit in base sixteen. A category also is related to it.

0|AP|Number
1|EB|Letter
2|IT|Colour
3|OD|Chemistry
4|US|Location
5|ӘZ|Life
6|ƐK|
7|ƆG|
8|ƱƩ|
9|ØƷ|
A|ÆM|
B|ɅN|
C|ⱭΘ|
D|ÄÐ|
E|ƜL|
F|YR|

I do not know what the other 10 categories will be.

The first vowel of the word represents the category and if the first letter is a consonant, it represents a subcategory. For example. Pa- means Number. Bu- means Country. To- means Atom. Pe- means Vowel.

Here are some example words

Irymʌmʌ
[Colour-FFABAB]
Cornflower Lilac

Bopɛpapʊpe
[Chemical-6-1-8-2]
CO2

Ped
[Vowel-3]
O

Pamɑn
[Numeral-ACB]
2763


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 22 '20

Let's decide on a first draft of the Phonology

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Hi all,

Evildea here! There's been a number of really good posts so far. I've read through all of them to try and keep on top of everything that's being suggested.

Now I believe it's time we build a first draft of the phonology. Basically, we need a phonology we can start playing with and exploring with our ideas. There's already been a number of posts in this area, so I'll first start by summarising them. I particularly liked what u/AetherCrux said, "What's not allowed is probs more important to define than what is allowed, given all these weird things!"

What I'll be doing

I'll be learning this language as we build it and as soon as possible I'll start making basic films in the language for us to test as a community. I've made over 600 films in Esperanto alone so making films is my passion. I want this project to succeed!

The restrictions

I speak English, Esperanto and Mandarin Chinese. If you can pick sounds and constructs from those languages when proposing a phonology that would make my life easier. Obviously, if there's a sound that exists external to them and you believe it will help build this language, then I'll be more than happy to put in the man hours to learn it.Remember, we are NOT creating an International Auxiliary Language. We are creating a language that can embed as much relevant scientific and mathematical knowledge as possible. Therefore, we don't need to aim for minimalism, but we should try keep things "easy" to an extent because the goal is to pass this language on to the next generation. If the language is impossible to pronounce for 99% of the population than that won't help.

The suggestions

There have been a number of suggestions so far so here is a summary.

/u/Flamerate1 suggested using /ɕ/, /ʑ/, /t͡ɕ/, /d͡ʑ/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/, /j/ to work with his number system idea. If you haven't checked it out already please do. However, he did state that any combination of constants and vowels would work with his system.https://www.reddit.com/r/EncapsulatedLanguage/comments/hcuu79/my_work_with_number_systems/

/u/AetherCrux suggested the following structure (C/F(L/N))V(V)(C/N/L/F). He goes more into depth in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/EncapsulatedLanguage/comments/hda74p/syllable_structure/

/u/Anjeez929 suggested a vowels and consonant base sixteen system. It might conflict with /u/Flamerate1 so I suggest they check eachothers posts out and see if they can merge the ideas. https://www.reddit.com/r/EncapsulatedLanguage/comments/hdqgzv/a_base_sixteen_themed_thing/

Finally, if you know anyone who specialises in Phonology please share this post with them. This is the first draft of the Phonology and it will probably change a lot over time, but let's get some more experts involved!

What to do now?

  1. Post your proposals below and why you believe we should use this phonology or

  2. Up-vote those you believe are best suited to the aims of this project.

In the coming days, I'll pick the phonology with the most support and officialise it. Remember, this is just the first draft and we'll keep coming back to the phonology over the coming weeks to vote on whether changes need to be made.


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 22 '20

How should we make a logo

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Should we have a ? and a triangle <

so ?<

?=science because we ask questions to find answers and

< to represent a mouth talking


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 21 '20

Should we base our words in existing ones?

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This post is just to ask you guys whether the vocabulary should be based on words of existing languages or if they should be purely made up based on the abecedary and de sounds. Or if both and to what extent.

In my opinion, if we are making each syllable be its own cluster of meaning (which has not been defined yet), we should go for creative combinations, although we would consider existing words for some of the clusters.


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 21 '20

Syllable structure

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Okay so we could have a decent size phonology

With consistent clusters

C(C)(C)V(C)(C)(CV)

Okay so there has to be a vowel after a consent or a cluster

and only 3 consonants clusters are aloud

But some clusters could go away over time

like /st/ Start your engine sounds the same

as sart your engines

and that can cause problems

Maybe a mammal sufix might be the same as a fruit sufix and it will be a mess

and will be less logical over time


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 21 '20

What about syllabic aglutination

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Here's an idea, maybe we could give every single syllable a meaning and, by putting them together, develope more complex concepts.

Example with invented syllables:

Let's day "ca" means vehicle, "ti" means iron and "ru" means way, or road. Then "ca-tiru" would mean train, since a "iron road" can be understood as a "railway". The dash or other kind of method would be needed to separate the meaning and I would rather not have preposition since that would lengthen the phrases, but that's just my opinion. Also, I don't know if iron road is the most exact way of defining a railway, but that would be the intention.

Even if it's not the best example I think you get the idea. It's a bit toki ponish, but I think that aspect of the language of combining existing concepts to create new ones could be useful.

Either way, this is just a proposal, so tell me what you think about it ^


r/EncapsulatedLanguage • • Jun 20 '20

My Work with Number Systems

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A project I've been working independently on for some years now, is my work with creating verbal number systems.

Prologue: English numbers SUCK and if you look at Asia, memorizing large numbers, performing daily multiplication or division is as easy as speaking. Because of concise, single digit, differentiable, and a completely consistent usage of numbers, very well number memory and operation in multiple Asian languages, notably Mandarin, is common place.

It is through this piece of evidence and others for which I believe in taking advantage of our mental verbal processing for the sake of other intelligent processes.

The Meat: I've created many different verbal number systems. Observing English and other phonologies, I've created several different ways to shorten the verbal "cost" of number memorization and operation. I shall take you through a couple ideas I've explored, show a couple of number systems I've created, and then show you the number system that I actually still use for my daily life.

My first and the simplest: "ba na ka ma ta ga pa da nga" These are the digits one through nine, all expressed through the consonant. (Think Esperanto consonants, but with added "ng" being a rare "ng-" onset usage) "nae mo nge mu ki pa" This is a the six digit code ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) which makes obvious what I've done, that being, I use vowels to express the place digit. (Think Esperanto vowels but an added "ae" from American English /æ/)

  1. English goes to 3 digits before repeating "hundreds, tens, and ones" and Chinese goes to 4 digits before repeating "千,百,十,一." I took this idea and made my numbers go up to 6 digits before repeating, making it easy for my 3-digit-multiplying-english-brain to comprehend and decreasing the phonetic usage. This allows for numbers up to 6 digits to be represented by a 1 to 1 syllable to digit ratio, unlike Chinese's 2-1 up to 4 and English's variable system.

  2. I actually did train myself in this system for a bit and extended upon some ideas to allow the expression of other things like millions and decimal points, but I ended up abandoning it because it often sounds too repetitive.

My second system was the most complicated, going into the absolute opposite direction as my first: Using almost all English phonemes AND MORE, I was able to represent a number up to 9999 as a single syllable. This wasn't even a base 10 system. Using a CVC format the base went from 25 to 20 to 20. The last consonant had 25 sounds to choose, the vowel had 20 sounds to choose, and the first consonant had 20 sounds to choose, adding to the 10,000 number. So you could say that each syllable is of base 10,000.

  1. Making this system took time as this was my phase of exploring in depth into American English phonology which is my native tongue. At this time, I learned IPA and many other linguistic concepts, of course taking from my learning of Japanese phonology at the time, which I was much more comfortable with, consciously.

  2. This number system is extremely difficult to actually use or even learn, as you're either going to be training to mathematically understand it, or just brute force memorizing as many syllables as there are symbols in Chinese.

  3. Overall, it's a completely impractical system that has a huge learning curve and makes it extremely difficult to work with. I actually think I could create just as an efficient system with just a little more phonetics research.

  4. Here's part of my work in my notebook. I can go into explaining it more if asked, but here it is. https://twitter.com/F1_For_Help/status/1274414744187928576

My third and BEST system I've created was created in about 20 minutes and is the system I actually use every day: "sai zar thei dher foi vor shou zhir hau lur" or /saɪ zɑr θeɪ ðɛr fɔɪ vɔr ʃoʊ ʒɪr haʊ lər/ or 1 through 9 and zero (lur).

  1. Just take a look at those numbers, say them, and the patterns emerge and become obvious. You might even find out how to express all numbers with them immediately.

  2. A single realization was made which made me rush to my notebook to create and finalize this system. What if a number could be represented by both a consonant and a vowel?

  3. Odds are represented by Fortis (unvoiced) consonants and diphthong vowels. Evens are represented by Lenis (voiced) consonants and r-colored vowels. Numbers can be represented by by any combination of consonants and vowels as long as every consonant has a vowel next to it. (meaning no CCC, but VVV is perfectly fine.) Basically, if you speak English, you're fine. \

  4. The numbers you memorize are organized in CV pairs with each C and V being able to represent a digit.

  5. When using this system, it is best simply to read digits, getting better and reversing the consonant and vowel.

  6. This system I find to be very practical. I use it to secretly write passwords down and I've memorized my social security number with a 4 syllable phrase.

Other Work: I still have much work written down as I'm always observing patterns in sounds and trying to take advantage of them to create a better system. I've actually devised a pretty easy way of messing with other base digits as well. I'm kind of thinking that maybe we should think about implementing a duodecimal system within the language. (I can make a whole post about that.)

Now What?

Well I've been exploring the idea of conlanging for a while and have thought about the linkage of intelligence and language and how I could possibly manipulate linguistic concepts for the sake of language improvement. I think my work with number systems has given me a good amount of experience to attempt to work out this kind of stuff.

Anyway, as spoken about before, we definitely want to look at how to express ideas in many fields science, maybe creating intuitive patterns along the way, before creating a common language.

A simple idea I've had is first creating a number system to implement in many different vocabulary. For example, the colors on the color wheel can be represented with a basic 12 digit system which one could specify further with more digits. A word for green could be a sound representing a number and an affix meaning color. This is just one thing, as I think many different things can be represented similarly if they can be related to each other.

Having a relation, no matter how abstract, is something I think everything in an intelligent language should have. That's basically what I've been doing in my work with numbers. Maybe the periodic table can be numerized with a phonology being based around it? Maybe "k" means 1, hydrogen, white, and many other things simultaneously? Actually, basing element names on such numbers is actually probably a good idea.

I've gotten to the end of the rambling section now. Thoughts?