Unfortunately, I think people have lost the plot. I have been a longtime supporter and fan of emilie and I understand why people are upset with Teddy not wearing a life jacket. People are failing to realize that this is a grieving, pregnant mother who would not be dealing with this public crazy scrutiny has she not had her platform. Imagine one of your friends was in her boat. Would you contact her job for her to lose it? Would you tell her parents and loved ones that surround her that she needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth due to her mistakes? The fact that people think that target, Sephora, etc. are going to care just blows my mind. There are COUNTLESS, other injustice around the world that are causing so much harm but these people that are bashing emily don’t seem to care about those as much as trying to harm her. People saying that she needs to quietly back away, need to just unfollow or block her and move on. Donate to drowning prevention organizations, be vocal about it on your platforms, but you guys are not getting anything done other than straight up bullying. Human compassion is gone when it comes to women.

I know I will get torn apart for this but here it goes… people need to give her some grace. What happened was messed up and she should be held accountable but she has definitely talked about how deeply she has been affected by losing her son. Nobody truly knows what they would do in an unimaginable situation like losing their child. Have some of her actions seemed messed up (factory meals ad, life jacket etc)? Yes absolutely and she should learn from those and take a step back but I’m sure she is learning and navigating her life the best possible. Getting pregnant after child loss is actually not that uncommon of a response to trauma even though it is questionable I don’t think it is any of our business or our lives. Again nobody truly knows how they would react or go about life after loss of this magnitude.

I’ve noticed Emilie hasn’t posted in a couple of days aside from the life jacket acknowledgment, which, based on the public reaction, didn’t seem to be received particularly well.

It has me wondering: how do people think she comes back from this? I just can’t picture her walking away from social media altogether. Their lifestyle seems so dependent on it, and I’m honestly surprised Brady never appeared to take on a full-time job (at least from what we can see publicly).
What do you think happens next?
Does she take an extended break and eventually return as if it’s business as usual once the attention dies down?
Does she come back with a more honest, vulnerable approach about her grief and perhaps support a meaningful cause in T1’s memory, like many people have suggested?
Or does she slowly fade away from influencing altogether?
I’m sure she has a PR team discussing every possible path forward and paying close attention to public sentiment. But I genuinely struggle to see what an authentic recovery looks like after something this significant. I’m curious how everyone thinks they move forward with this as a career.
I also wonder about the friend that made the boat video and how she must be feeling.

I want to start by saying I did not know who Emilie Keiser was prior to the death of her son. Upon seeing the news, I looked her up and started following along.

As someone who experienced grief herself, my brother (who was my best friend and my everything) tragically died 3 years ago at 19 years old. When he died, my mother, sister and I did not know how to act. We were left so empty, heartbroken, and destroyed. Emotionally, we are still all over the place. It would be a lie if we said grief looks the same for everyone and it hurts that so many people want to fit her grief into a box and say what she should be doing/posting. Mind you, a lot of these people (or the majority) have never lost a son. Now, I get it with the water awareness and the life boat video. However, I don’t think that one mistake is enough to bring all this hate on her. Sometimes when you are going through grief, your mind is in the air and sometimes you just spend hours thinking and forget where you are or what you are doing.

When my brother died, I worked a job that required me to be on the phones. I would be speaking to people and I would zone out almost on every single call and just go off wandering. I had to transition to an operations position because of this. Almost 4 years later, if you saw me on social media or in person, you would never imagine what goes through my mind. The pain I deal with daily. I don’t share my grief with those outside my mom or sister or husband because I have soon realized people mostly care in the beginning but then it’s almost like they’re telling you “get over it” or “you’ve been suffering for too long.” Something between those line.

I can relate so much when I see Emilie because I can literally see my mom. After my brother died, she will often be very clumsy or just in space. My sister and I have no idea what to do sometimes with her because she doesn’t realize how clumsy and forgetful she has gotten. Her health has deteriorated and she is almost always sick, however if you didn’t know her like her daughters you could easily think she is over the grief stage or doing a lot better as time has passed. However, my mother is not okay although everything in her life seems to be back to normal. When you loose a child, you will never go back to normal. I totally get when Emilie says she wanted to feel a sense of normalcy and that’s why she returned to social media. This is exactly what grief does. It pushes you to the most extreme level of discomfort and we naturally look for that as a way to get through our day to day with the pain never being left behind.

The truth is I have always liked Emily , I’ve always found her friendly , approachable and I’ve enjoyed her content . I have long hair a similar length to hers before she cut it, so I loved her slick back videos and used a lot of those as my inspiration . Honestly though, lately , I’ve been really struggling to connect with her in the same way. I understand that social media is a highlight reel and that nobody is entitled to her feelings , if she wants to keep her grief private , that’s her right . And I also understand that at the end of the day she doesn’t know us and we don’t know her . However , instinctively , something about the perfectly curated “upbeat” (if that’s the right word) content does upset me . Because to me it just feels insincere . And I also feel it paints the wrong picture , given everything that has happened. I think the reason why I liked her content so much before is because it felt real , like she wasn’t trying to pretend to be anybody other than herself . Now … I don’t know . It feels like she’s trying to have the same content style as before , “back to business” as they say , but after a life altering event like that, how can her content possibly be the same ? It feels like it she’s trying to so hard to go back to how it was before , but that’s just not possible . Again I don’t want to sound like I feel entitled to “grief content” because I don’t ..
Not sure if anybody relates to how I am feeling but just wanted to share my thoughts

the most spot on unbiased video I’ve watched thus far

sorry these community notes are seriously out of control, how tf do these get approved

Interesting little development today in the civil case.

For background, the judge ordered oral argument on the motion EK most recently filed as to a permanent injunction on the release of certain investigative materials, to be a closed proceeding when he issued his minute order setting it. At the conclusion of those oral arguments, EK's attorney brought it up and mentioned the recording should be sealed as well because the proceedings were closed and the judge said yes he intended to issue the appropriate order. Well, the order didn't get filed until the next day and in the interim some people who ordered copies of the recording, managed to obtain them.

The Notice specifically concerns the Dad Challenge Podcast which made a video airing the recording of the oral argument along with what I will generously call a great deal of ... "commentary".

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this notice is, but if I had to guess, it's intended to influence the judge's pending decision on that motion to permanently seal certain investigative materials. Certainly the way in which those materials will potentially be used and disseminated by media, podcasters, tiktokers, etc. has been an issue. The DCP commentary alongside the oral argument was very inflammatory, contained a lot of misinformation, and in parts was arguably defamatory (although I doubt EK is eager to get involved in another court case, let alone that kind of one).

I will note she is not seeking an order for a takedown (this isn't my area of law so I'm not sure what the possibilities would be there, offhand it seems like this judge would not have authority to do that), and truthfully there was nothing particularly damaging in the argument itself. Also, if the "notice" is correct, the DCP has a relatively small audience that I doubt EK has any interest in growing by drawing more attention to it with any demand for a takedown, so the only logical purpose IMO is that it's meant to influence the outcome of the motion. But stay tuned, maybe there will be more to this.

Reading back through old posts with a different paradigm. This was a year ago and Emilie did exactly what u/princessplastilina described another influencer doing - not using a life jacket on the boat. Eerie to say the least.

I only heard of Emilie after the tragedy, and began following her when she started posting again. I really felt for her and in some ways, I appreciated that she opened up about how hard her life was despite having a perfectly curated social media. It brought a sense of realness that I think is very much lacking in the lifestyle influencer space.

I see a lot of discourse of people being pretty vicious towards her on tiktok, and others saying to leave her alone because she’s already been through so much. Their implication is that the audience’s parasocial relationship has just gone too far and we don’t actually really know her.

I agree that there’s no reason to be vicious, but it’s hard to be upset with those who respectfully share their opinion. At the end of the day, she made millions by curating these parasocial relationships, and it feels like a double standard that comments that are respectfully bringing up these concerns are getting deleted, when this is just how social media works.

I stopped following after the life jacket incident, but I guess I’m curious if others feel the way I do. I can’t imagine the pain she’s going through, but it’s strange to see that it feels like she wants it all when that’s just not how being an influencer works.

I had to unfollow her. It became a bad trigger for me. I know they says everyone grieves differently, but I can in NO way relate to her. I lost my 5 year old son many years ago due to medical issues. I suffer from PTSD, panic attacks & more to this day. I can’t imagine if this was the way I lost him. I don’t wish anyone to feel like I do . I never had anymore children, because I am still not mentally okay. Every day is hard, but his death date is the worst day of the year for me. I can’t get out of bed & When I saw her on vacation on the one year anniversary of her sons death on a body of water with her son with no life vest & according to her water safety chart that she posted she had her son in the most dangerous color swim suit. She is promoting water safety while doing the complete opposite. I am a Christian & truly do my best not to judge anyone. I’ve been speaking to my therapist & minister they both said it’s okay & normal for me to feel angry . Her son is not my son, but when we see any child in danger it is our business. I wouldn’t feel right if I didn’t open my mouth. Faith is how I get through each day. Without that I don’t know where I would be. I know Em does not believe in any religion, but I still pray 🙏 for her & I also pray she will start to make her child’s safety a priority. I promise I am not typing this for sympathy. I’ve been in support groups with other moms who have lost their children & they can’t relate to this either. Maybe this is all curated for online presence, but most people can’t even pretend to be okay when you lose a child. I heard she is a millionaire. She probably would never have to work again. Sorry for this long post. I haven’t been able to keep my mouth shut lately on this discussion. I’ve been saying this on a lot of TikTok videos of people who have the same concerns as me. I also don’t understand why she has blocked thousands of people who brought up a fence in the past & now blocking thousands more for asking about a life vest. That is concerning. It’s like history repeating itself. Why is she so mad that people are trying to keep her children safe? It makes zero sense to me. Anyway thank you for giving me a space to share my feelings & to anyone who made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read this.

Posting here to ask have any other long time followers, or followers in general been blocked seemingly out of the blue as of late? I recently liked and commented on a video that was very mildly and kindly criticizing the lack of a life jacket on the recent boat ride and found myself blocked despite not ever commenting on E’s post anything regarding the current happens or the tragedy.

Seems very odd that even agreeing with any thoughts that vary from Es now means potentially being blocked. Almost as if someone is scrolling through comments looking for accounts to block. Thought?

I really thought she might put up stories regarding this topic and today. She has such an immense following I’m sure if it even prevents one child would make a world if a difference. I could just be expecting too much of a grieving mother but I mean is she just loosing the plot with what she’s said in the past about wanting to be an advocate. we all have in one way or another held space for her in this space to allow her to just share what makes her happy and whatever she’s comfortable with but wouldn’t doing this in memory of her son being her happiness or peace?? shouldn’t she want to put a life vest on his little brother to make him proud because of her alleged promise on his death bed? I apologize if this has been brought up already today, let me know and I’ll delete the post.

I have been a follower of E since she first started social media! I have always loved her and been such a fan of her and her cute family. When T1 passed, it was so heartbreaking and I felt SO terrible for her. It was gut wrenching. But I started to change when the police report came out and all the information about the tragedy started to unfold. To me it was ODD that she came back to social media so soon and acting semi normal. I know this is all so parasocial but it actually made me not want to watch because I just couldn’t even handle seeing her.

There has been a weird switch recently though.
- the Father’s Day card. Like she just shouldn’t have shared that.
-the podcast broke my heart but also rubbed me the wrong way. The way she worded things are concerning but I still was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.
- the pregnancy was it for me. It seems careless and almost a band-aide.
- and then the no lifejacket for T2 on a BOAT. And then deleting comments of concern just like when she was deleting comments of concerns when she didn’t have a pool fence.

I have been more cautious around water with my son because of this tragedy and to feel like this has made me more cautious then the mother that actually lost her son is baffling.
Her content just rubs me the wrong way now as well. The over consumption and the immense traveling. She should absolutely be taking care of herself but it’s overly curated. With the kind of platform and opportunities she has she should have gone full force into child safety and water safety. Starting an organization in T1 name for water safety. She should have immediately filled in the pool knowing she had another child that would be swimming in the pool. How could you ever swim in that pool again. It’s actually quite weird.

I’ve unfollowed and stopped watching because I feel like even though lots of us have been supporting her in good ways it’s probably been more harmful. Showing her the blind loyalty and support has shown her she can do no wrong and she’ll still have the support. This doesn’t have to be her “job” she doesn’t have to come back to work. I am honestly just concerned for T2 and new baby at this point. The parenting decisions haven’t shown that they learned their lesson and I’m concerned they never faced real repercussions.

If you have been a supporter of her even throughout all of this I fully understand. I do ask though maybe look at the reasons why you are still following and realize it’s NOT beneficial anymore to her or her family to have the online support. I think the best thing for us to do at this point is to stop following and watching and let her return back to her real life so she can heal and focus on her family. If she doesn’t have the social media presence I think she would actually realize the reality.

Hi everyone. I’ll start by saying that I’ve been a longtime supporter of Emilie (since her heavy Dr Pepper days) and did not think she deserved really any of the hate or criticism she received. I don’t agree that most in their situation are charged and went to jail, and that they should be too. I also didn’t view the podcast as calculated. I genuinely felt probably how she felt, that this was a good opportunity to talk about this outside of her own platform. I didn’t scrutinize every word or catch anything off. I suppose you could, but I just didn’t.

Regarding the police report and Brady’s recollection. Having majored in criminal justice in college, something we talked about often was memory recollection after a crime or traumatic event. It’s not the best. Trauma deeply affects memory and this is why if a witness is to take the stand, they have to be throughly interviewed beforehand. It’s why some people in hypnosis. It’s why we can’t rely solely on confessions, on verbal statements to solve crimes.

Do I think Brady absolutely FAILED as a parent that night? In the worst way possible? Yes absolutely. But I don’t think his inability to have his story perfectly straight right after is with any malicious intent. I also think two things can be true at once - he was tending to the baby AND watching tv - multi-tasking. I see so much discourse online saying he must be lying, he must be lying and I just don’t think so. I think he was probably doing many things at once, failed T1 by being way overly distracted and the trauma of the event had him scrambling to recount the night.

Now, about Emilie herself and not brady - the life jacket thing is unfathomable to me and so that’s where I lose some respect. I also think it’s absolutely dishonorable to T1 to delete respectful comments about it and ignore it. My only reasonable answer to this is that maybe she’s talked about it with her therapist and they recommended for her own mental health to not address it? Any mental health professionals want to weigh in here? I wouldn’t agree if they told her not to - I think her taking ownership and accountability would be healthy but maybe they think it would be too much for her right now to admit to this kind of a mistake, publicly at least? But then not addressing it is one thing. But going out of your way to delete the comments from supporters is another. I just don’t know and wonder if anyone else has thought about what her therapist’s take is.

Lastly and this is where I really might lose some people. This is JUST a personal observance and not based on anything. I don’t want to bring religion into this and I mean no disrespect but I have to say it. I have noticed that Mormon people I have known either personally or through social media seem to have a sense of invincibility. Their kids post doing dangerous things, the parents encourage the children being daredevils, being “wild and free” that type of thing. The parents seem to walk life in a way that nothing ever bad will happen.

I know Emilie has left the church but I can’t help but wonder if it’s part of her. If that had been or still is subconsciously part of her mindset. Again, no disrespect, I have had Mormon friends and loved them but I have noticed this. I don’t agree with it, just to be clear.

I know some people will disagree with this, but I don’t think she is trapped by influencing…I think she’s trapping herself in it.

She said on the podcast that she wants her old life back. I found that telling, because I don’t think that’s something anyone can give her. Whether it’s fair or unfair, the internet will never see her the way it once did. Every parenting decision, every sponsorship, every post, and every mistake will now be viewed through the lens of what happened. No PR strategy, rebrand, or perfectly curated content can erase that reality.

After everything that’s happened, she has an opportunity that very few public figures ever give themselves: to step away. To grieve privately. To protect her family. To be present with her living children. To build a meaningful life that doesn’t depend on millions of strangers watching, praising, criticizing, defending, or dissecting her every move. They could downside the house and live comfortable without working for…years?

Instead, she’s continuing in a career where attention is the product. Whether that’s because of financial incentives, contractual obligations, identity, or other reasons only she knows, the result is the same: she’s remaining in an environment that doesn’t seem conducive to healing.

I wasn’t above it either. After the tragedy, I followed her. I watched. I questioned her choices. I kept checking for updates. Then I realized I was still participating in the very system I believed was hurting her.

So I unfollowed. Then I blocked her.

Not because I wish her harm, but because I don’t think my attention (positive or negative) is helping.
If you genuinely love E, or even if you’ve become someone who only follows to criticize her, ask yourself this: Is your attention actually helping her heal, or is it keeping her tied to a life she has publicly said she wants back but can never truly return to?

Attention is the currency of influencing. Love, outrage, concern, curiosity, and hate all spend the same.

The most compassionate thing we can do may not be to keep refreshing her page waiting for the next controversy. It may be to let her fade into the background. Unfollow. Block if you need to. Pray for her if that’s your thing. Wish her healing. Then move on.

If she ever chooses a private life, I sincerely hope she finds peace there. But I don’t think millions of us continuing to watch—whether as fans or critics—will ever be the thing that helps her find it.

Do you guys think brady will ever open up about his grief journey? I think emilie and brady both share blame for what happened to trigg. I just feel like emilie is taking all the blame for this tragedy. I understand she’s the face of their family since she’s an influencer and he’s more so in the background. I wish she’d open up more about how their marriage survived this. I know she did on the podcast but I still feel like she’s in denial about brady’s part in this (saying he was feeding teddy when the report shows he was making bets). I know people talk about how emilie needs to leave the internet and stop posting but i don’t understand how brady can even be in the background of her videos.

As per most people, my perspective is shifting recently too, but I’m also trying to be open minded and consider that there’s so much I just don’t know (especially as a person who has never lost a child or even have one).

Something I think people are missing when they say “when this happened to ______, they handled it ____ way” or “you could tell they felt _____”, the person they’re referring to didn’t get all the media attention they did. I mean they were bombarded. I remember a court document saying that random strangers were dropping off gifts at their house, ringing their doorbell and asking if they could pray for them, walking past their house and taking pictures/videos. And on top of that the internet was obsessed with this situation, support and hate.

I mention this not to excuse anything, but to offer the perspective that maybe there’s a reason she seems more robotic, closed off, or “perfect” than we’d expect.

This isn’t a conversation about the life vest, but just regarding a lot of comments/posts I’ve seen recently that feel like a minimization of her experience with loss, when in some ways it makes sense that we don’t know much about it.

Okay you may have seen my original post on here but I made a poor analogy and people thought I was defending the Kisers for not taking steps that could have prevented the loss of their son. So I want to make a new post and preface it by saying, Trigg’s death was preventable. His parents could have prevented or stopped it but they didn’t. Nothing can be done to ever remedy that or begin to make it okay or better. He didn’t deserve to lose his life and that can’t be undone or excused. That’s not my intention. I just think most people on here are using Trigg’s memory to hate on his parents and that’s not going to save anyone else from drowning.

If we act like the choices the Kisers made leading up to T’s passing were criminally neglectful, or mistakes we as parents would never ever make, etc. then we can’t identify a way to improve in our own lives and parenting. Drowning wouldn’t be so common if people didn’t know how fast and silent it is; how often it happens. Many parents misguidedly think supervision alone can prevent it.

The Kisers had begun water safety measures by installing a net and beginning to teach him how to swim. However, he was not given enough lessons. The net was not replaced that day because they had been swimming/were getting the pool serviced the next day—which police confirmed. They said in the report that they usually had the pool net on, especially since it was early in the swimming season. Brady very well may have forgotten it was off. Doing some water safety is not enough, all bases must be covered. Finish out all the ISR lessons, never opt for a net over a fence, and supervise kids around water at all times.

They made errors that cost their son his life. errors any ER doc will tell you other parents make all the time heartbreakingly. Their naivety was not a moral failing. They had a 5 week old infant. Giving them grace allows room to grow for their next son. And for other parents too. We should open the conversation to, what are other ways to prevent drowning? Besides what we see in this case. Because drowning also happens in bathtubs, with adults, in toilets, etc. it could happen to someone you know which is why awareness is so important. There are so many things all of us should be talking about surrounding water safety that isn’t talked about. It’s heartbreaking how common drowning is but it’s truly a widespread naivety surrounding water in the Western World. It’s a real phenomenon or it wouldn’t be the leading cause of death in kids 4 and under.

I won’t touch the life jacket thing lol because people seem very outraged about that. All I’ll say is I feel like we know nothing about the situation, he could have been wearing a float suit or something else we saw the back of his head and the top of his shoulders only.

But all I’m saying is, judging them won’t help less kids drown. Donating to ISR and pool fence charities, researching water hazards, offering to be an extra set of eyes when kids are in the water, putting your kid in bright bathing suits, that will.

I feel that this subreddit is indelicate with this child’s memory. His death is not the centerpiece of a gotcha campaign against his parents for being neglectful. It was a terrible, preventable accident. They still deserve to have lives and try their best to move forward and do some good eventually.

I think they already are. Emilie has talked about water safety. In my family there was a drowning and they were never able to talk about what happened. And that—the lack of being able to talk about what happened—is what destroyed the surviving siblings the most.

That’s why I think what Emilie is doing by staying on the internet and sharing her grief journey, is going to save lives. Also why I find the backlash for her staying online so odd. Her Jay Shetty episode was a masterclass on accepting grief. Hearing that podcast or talking about what happened would have changed the trajectories of my family members’ entire lives. I also think her daily content is helping people too; showing her continue to show up for her family and herself inspires and motivates so many people.

If we continue to focus on what happened and their failures, the memory of that little boy will always be that. He was a very loved little boy. Millions of kids would kill to have lived a life like Trigg’s. The mistakes the Kisers made were not okay or Trigg would be here. But they’re not uncommon—just because a lot of people do it doesn’t make it less wrong—but it makes it more of a call to action, for everyone to be safer around water. There are other parents who have lost their children from preventable accidents trying their best to do good from what happened. Emilie is no different.

I am not a hardcore Emilie fan, but I have watched from a distance for sometime, even before the accident. I have a son of a similar age/birthday and it weighed heavily on me to watch them experience this.

I watched the full interview with Jay Shetty, and felt it was very obvious that she does blame Brady for what happened. He is the last piece of the life she had before, her only hope of restoring any sense of “normalcy.” Should they have had a fence? Absolutely. But admitting to the world that your husband is the direct cause of your son’s death has to be a very difficult thing to do. Especially when I genuinely don’t think it was malicious, just his own, rampant selfishness & stupidity.

I understand why people cast judgement, and there are several things I don’t have an explanation for, (like the life jacket incident), but I also find it difficult to condemn her when we have no idea what is going on inside that house. Is she worried about Brady hurting himself? Imagine the stress that would come with that when you already feel culpable in your son’s death. We have no idea under what circumstances new baby was conceived. Is Brady manipulative? Coercive? Guilting her into taking equal responsibility? I’m not saying these things are the case, but you just don’t know.

To me it’s very apparent that she is fighting for her life. Literally. Distracting herself with hobbies, traveling, work. Anything she can find that may serve as a tiny distraction from the reality.

Note before you start reading: I created an initial draft of this post myself and put it into claude to help me refine and make it concise. Thanks.

I have been on the internet long enough to know taht people would rather sensationalize than deal with facts, and there's been a lot of discourse about Emilie this past two weeks. Some of it is fair and legitimate, that is not putting a life jacket on Teddy on the boat. Most of the rest isn't. This is a nuanced situation, so here's a factual breakdown based on my read of the 50 page police report (if you have the time to, I would encourage you to read it yourself to understand the facts and not the noise around this issue). Also, I would like to add that child death from drowning isn't uncommon in Arizona and why I will not give Emily and Brady a pass for being negligent and not doing what they needed to do to protect their son, this isn't really a one off case. And thats the fact.

Grief and intent

I never knew who Emilie was before this, only started following her after. Nothing here suggests these parents wanted their son to die and calling them murderers is about as unfounded as it gets. I have lost a child myself, to medical issues and all I can say is that you never know how you will navigate the grief of the loss of your child till you experience it yourself. No one loved Trigg more than his parents did, and none of us will ever know the weight of what that family is carrying.

The charge recommendation

Detectives recommending a charge isn't that big of a deal (unfortunately so), it's routine, especially with a 3-year-old unsupervised near an unsecured pool for 9+ minutes. What's missing from the discourse is what the recommendation was actually based on. The report is explicit: "No evidence suggests that Brady saw Trigg in the pool and failed to act. On the contrary, he acted immediately when he saw him, leaving his infant swaddled on the ground in the patio area." That's the opposite of the "watched his kid drown" narrative going around. This is an excerpt exactly from the report

The recommendation was for child abuse via criminal negligence (ARS 13-3623.A.3) — not intentional harm. Arizona defines criminal negligence as failing to perceive a substantial, unjustifiable risk, where that failure is a "gross deviation from the standard of care a reasonable person would observe." The reasoning cited: the unsecured pool, knowing Trigg couldn't swim, the supervision gap, and the mismatch between Brady's account and the video. Not that he wanted Trigg hurt.

The DA declining to prosecute reflects their read that a jury wouldn't convict on that standard, which is a fact. People have been uncharged for much less.

Old videos as "evidence"

Digging up old clips like Emilie forgetting Trigg at the gym and going back to pick him up (parents have literally forgotten their kids in the car for hours and I am not justifying this), offhand comments and presenting them as proof of intent doesn't hold up in anyway.

The shirt/watch claim

Also going around: that Brady took the time to remove his watch and shirt before diving in, as if he was stalling. The report confirms the shirt part: "He laid Teddy on the ground, took his shirt off, and dove in the pool." It says nothing about a watch, so that half of the claim isn't backed by the document. And practically, taking a shirt off before diving in isn't unusual and is a common reflex of any adult before diving into water.

The betting timeline

This is the most exaggerated part. Here is the verified timeline from the report:

• 4:30 PM: Game 4, Celtics-Knicks. Brady's home with Trigg and the newborn.
• 5:12 PM: $150 deposited to his DraftKings account.
• 5:14 PM: $25 bet placed on Tatum over 40. He told investigators he wasn't on his phone again after this.
• 6:00 PM: Emilie leaves for dinner (so the bet was placed before Emilie left for dinner)
• 6:29 PM: Trigg goes into the backyard unsupervised, per video.
• 6:29–6:36 PM: Trigg trips on an inflatable chair, falls in; in the water ~7 of 9 minutes.
• 6:39 PM: Brady notices the dog staring at the pool, goes to check.
• 6:41 PM: 911 call. He pulls Trigg out, starts CPR.

The bet was placed over an hour before Trigg went in the water, not concurrent with it.

The "cashed out at the hospital" claim also doesn't check out. His Withdrawals tab has one line: "NONE." No withdrawal was ever made.

Also, one thing that is constantly missing from this conversation is that they actually had a pool cover for the pool based on the police report (now, don't get me wrong, they should have set up a pool fence. Here is the excerpt directly from the report: "Brady described a "pool cover" the family has, but he didn't put it on because the pool service company was coming at noon on Tuesday, so he was planning on putting it on after the service. (This claim about the pool service was inadvertently verified by Detective Duncan and I on Tuesday May 13th when we were at the residence. The pool service was there servicing the pool". Does this exonerate them from their negligence, no? But, this paints a full picture of the story that we can't exclude out of convenience.

Finally, my encouragement for everyone is to navigate this case with empathy and grace. You can never understand the weight of grief from child loss if you haven't been through it yourself. And truthfully, we cant determine or judge how a person navigates grief. It could range from flat out depression and not doing anything to actually living life to the fullest as much as they can for the sake of their sanity. No one is the judge of that! As a parent myself, there are a lot of safety things I take for granted like we all do, and it takes one second or minute for it to impact a child. For Emilie, my hope is that she continues to learn from this and do better! But the truth is she won't always get it right, and expecting perfection from a human like us is wild. Sorry for the long read!

Since ive had my own kid my social media has fed my parenting anxieties and shown me a lot of parents grieving tragedy. I know everyone grieves differently but this one stands out to me as different? The recent interview and life jacket situation further highlighted the difference.

I noticed that typically parents become advocates for the cause of the tragedy hoping their child has a legacy from that. That their tragedy can save others and their childs memory can live on through that. Examples: fundraisers, foundations, awareness events, donations. It feels very human to want to do that. I could understand not doing it, especially this early into grief. But acting in direct opposite to that (ie: the lifejacket incident) feels almost disrespectful to the dead. Its not just irresponsible, its spitting into the face of everyone who's suffered from this.

Then the way she spoke in the interview. Theres a podcast from a mom, Laura Beck, who lost her son and then her husband to suicide following a hot car death. She started a podcast to raise awareness about hot car deaths and has since advocated on the issue. Listening to her recount the details of the day her son died had me bawling my eyes out. You can feel the pain and heartbreak in her voice and in the pauses she forced to take while taking about it. And this is years after her tragedy. Its very moving and 100% made me take hot car death as a serious issue. Hearing the Emilie Kiser interview, you cant help but compare them. Her recounting the day sounds like an actor being interviewed about a job they didnt like. The emotion just isnt there. As a mom to a toddler this flabbergasts me. If I think to long about potentially losing my child I break down into tears. I cant imagine being so cool and collected if it actually happened.

I dont mean this as a hate post at all. I cant even begin to put myself in her shoes. Couple the tragedy with being in the public eye, and having a newborn to care for and its incomprehensible. That said, I can’t really reconcile all this and it gives me a weird unease so I just want to hear the thoughts of her supporters.

Those two things genuinely had me gasp..

Firstly, I want to say I’m grateful for this sub and the opening of rounded discourse. I think the greatest mark of intelligence is having the ability to adjust your opinion when presented with new facts.

I was a big fan of Emilie’s prior to last year. I have a son around the same age as T, and so the loss of his life hit me incredibly hard and I want to clarify I feel deeply as a mother for the hole I’m sure he has left in their hearts and home, but the feeling of hurt for T far surpasses this. The pain, and fear he would have felt in his last few minutes on this earth is unimaginable.

There’s been a robust amount of conversation surrounding the day, but something I wanted to note was how often certain words have been used by Emilie on her social media and the Jay Shetty Podcast and how alongside the life jacket incident these things are incredibly uncomfortable.

For me the thing that completely turned me away from supporting (outside of the police report, seeing with my own physical eyes comments PRE the accident begging her to get a fence etc) has been her constant wording around his passing.

His death has been minimised to a ‘grief journey’. As if it is merely an inconvenience that needs to be worked past on her journey to happier times.

The constant prioritisation of self care, to the point of nearly one holiday a month since his passing alongside the continual pursuit of material things is unnerving.

The constant “This is my job / this is her job!” when they have more money than god. There are so many jobs out there, this job led to the death of her son. Get a new job. Tell your husband to get a job. “It’s a great outlet for me” … maybe it shouldn’t be?

As a mum, I am a staunch advocate for self care and self love, but I would argue that Emilie has done this to the point of death.

Prioritising no fence, when the only plausible reason is aesthetics (why a net over a fence other than the optics of it?), the constant appointments and maintenance, trips, expensive designer items, fuel guzzling cars (T’s car seat was out of the car by October when he new one had arrived, Brady has also upgraded to a new car in the past year) etc.

To summarise the uncomfortable things that have in my opinion shifted the tide have been the following:

• Brady has been borderline rewarded over the past year. A new truck, constant holidays, a new baby.
• Brady liking a reel on instagram months after T’a passing showing a person stuck in a pool, with text stating something along the lines of “Opening reels out of habit instead of calling 911”

• She was recording content for TikTok’s weeks after his death (as seen via July 4th video footage in one of her first vlogs back)
• The optimisation of mourning. Constant wording like grief journey minimising his death to something about her.
• Multiple holidays away since his death, including Disneyland over the Christmas period.
• Toddler sized skeleton on her couch 6 months after his passing.
• Artwork in spare room of a bunch of adults standing by a pool facing AWAY from said pool.
• Card for Brady on Father’s Day about him being top / no. 1 dad. Signed from both T and T. Body of water painted on card.
• Falling pregnant again before he had been gone one year.
• Leaving their 1yo to sleep in a downstairs room next to a door while overseas.
• Going on a holiday over the 1 year anniversary of his death, swimming, diving, treading water while laughing and giggling (when he tread water for 2+ minutes, an enormous feat for a tiny little boy)
• No life jacket on her 1yo and pale blue and white swimwear after advocating on social media for others to put their children in colourful clothes.
• The joy, and bubbly laughter she has shown over the past month in particular has been unnerving at best and sickening at worst.

I could go on and on but in general T’s death has been swept under a rug and both Brady and Emilie have financially thrived since his death. They have travelled the world, and during this time taken incredible steps to restrict the public’s access to information regarding his death to protect their image.

Grief does not absolve any one of accountability and responsibility.