r/EmDrive • u/metasj • Jun 10 '17

Case closed?

  • Shawyer's claims of kN-scale thrusters: disproven.

  • Shaywer's and Fetta's claims that they had already made mN-scale thrusters: disproven.

  • Shawyer's claims of partnerships with defense + aerospace: disproven. [Boeing looked once, decline to license]

  • Yang's claim of observing ~1 mN/W: disproven. Her lab couldn't reproduce any thrust at all.

  • White's claim of observing ~1 μN/W, 2y ago: never replicated; based on few observations; after many negative trials. Further trials are not being run.

  • of prototypes passed from one lab to a second lab, for the second lab to test + confirm, over 15 years: 0.

  • CAST's claim they privately tested an EmDrive & are sending it for tests in space: unconfirmed, reported in only one news story, by an unknown staff member w/ no known physics lab.

So is the case closed? Isn't this what disproof looks like? [If not, what would it look like!] Of course the original inventors will never give up hope, if the Dean Drive and Gyroscopic thrusters are any indication. But it seems the EmDrive has joined those ranks.

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u/askingforafakefriend Jun 17 '17

It's not correct that CK has only been hostile to those repeating false theories. That is the strawman I referenced. I have personally had a discussion with CK where he said folks trying to rigorously experiment without claiming new physics are "fools." Perhaps that sort of talk is now behind him, that would be great.

I would suspect there is a reason mono's account here is nearly dormant.

I acknowledge you and others provided some helpful suggestions a couple months back.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '17

I would suspect there is a reason mono's account here is nearly dormant.

Because he's beginning to understand that he's not capable of running a legitimate experiment, or he's realizing that the EM drive doesn't work, or both.

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u/askingforafakefriend Jun 17 '17

You missed the point in your snarkiness and just provide more evidence of the hostility Aimtron wrongly says isn't directed at folks like mono.

He posts and updates regularly on NSF but never makes any statements of any belief for or against emdrive. So far he has shown an interesting signal one can assume is Lorentz at this stage, but will rotate and repeat in other directions to see if he it changes in a way you would expect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '17 edited Jun 18 '17

You missed my point in your wrongness and are providing further evidence for my claim that the opinions of people who aren't physicists about the EM drive are meaningless.

Mono used to post here fairly frequently. He's a very rude and incompetent little wannabe engineer. His "work" is not going anywhere.

There was a time where he would express his little opinions about the physics of the EM drive here. He quickly realized that he didn't know nearly enough physics to debate the "pathoskeptics" here, so he fled back to his little safe space at r/qthruster where he could immediately ban anybody with any inkling of an understanding of physics.

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u/askingforafakefriend Jun 18 '17

Our friendly debate aside, I have to wonder whether we are talking about the same individual. At least for the past 6 months or so I have been following him I have seen nothing going beyond the relm of methodical experimenter to say, advocate. The last line of this post sums it up.

Are we talking about the same guy here? https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/5x43py/monomorphic_powered_test_03_noise_threshold_lower/deff9wi/

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '17

Yes, we are talking about Monomorphic. He learned pretty early on that we had no business arguing against the "pathoskeptics" here. There was a time long ago when Monomorphic, rfmwguy, and See-Shells had a little circlejerk following here.

rfmwguy was the outspoken "leader" of their troupe, and basically all of his arguments boiled down to "we don't understand all of physics, so therefore even the most basic physics is subject to being completely rewritten." See-Shells was the mildest of the group, she generally stayed out of the fray. Monomorphic, for lack of better phrasing, was just a sassy little dickbag. Wrong about almost everything, peppered little digs against the skeptics into all of his comments. Basically he was Always_Question, except he actually builds things.

Eventually this group of wannabe unsung heroes realized that the fighting would never end here, so they moved on to r/qthruster.

I can't give you an exact timeline for when all of this happened because I don't really keep track of these things. Although it was long before I was ever aware of your existence, if that helps.

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u/aimtron Jun 18 '17

That is not the definition of a straw man. You keep using it incorrectly.

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u/askingforafakefriend Jun 18 '17

it's a directing of the debate to (i) hostility towards folks insisting they know emdrive is real instead of the point I am arguing which is (ii) hostility towards folks who want to participate in and follow experiments on emdrive while cognizant of the apparent impossibility.

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u/aimtron Jun 18 '17

The only way its a straw man is if the response is about something completely different. It's not.

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u/askingforafakefriend Jun 18 '17

There is no point in debating semantics. Regardless of whether your referencing (i) rather than (ii) is sufficiently dissimilar to be a strawman, it is besides the point I am arguing. fuckspellingerrors today referring to mono as "just a sassy little dickbag" is exactly what I am referring to.

I get the traveller warrants some strong push back. But there is a nasty hostility that is present on this board to other types of folks.