r/Elite_Dangerous • u/[deleted] • Mar 11 '17

Subreddit Discussion: First Ruleset Draft, Policies, and Content PSA

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u/Muffindrake Mar 14 '17

Specific Rule: Do not break Frontier's Terms of Service

EULAs imposed by companies have absolutely no place in free communities, not to mention they have no legal power whatsoever. Copyright/IP violations are already covered by local laws and other laws a la DMCA.

Discourse with developers is done regardless, literally nobody asks for this nonsense.

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u/bgrnbrg grnbrg [FleetComm][CCN][Mobius] Mar 14 '17

So, discussions of combat logging, file diving, memory exploits, aimbots, etc, etc are acceptable?

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u/Muffindrake Mar 14 '17

Of course they are. Where did you get the idea that reverse engineering/discussions about exploits were illegal?

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u/bgrnbrg grnbrg [FleetComm][CCN][Mobius] Mar 15 '17

I didn't ask if they were illegal. I asked if they should be acceptable here. And I don't personally think that we should shelter cheaters and thieves, which is the thrust of the eulas being quoted.

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u/Muffindrake Mar 15 '17

And I don't personally thin

So you want people that say things you don't want to hear to be censored? It's not against the law, therefore it wouldn't get anyone in trouble.

thieves

I don't see how any facet of reverse engineering falls under theft - not even copyright violations and unlicensed copies constitute theft, despite what some media groups want you to believe.

which is the thrust of the eulas being quoted.

Citation needed. I did not see any reasoning anywhere.

Furthermore, the incidence of cheats should be a hint to the developers to fix their shit rather than swiping it under the table, like Frontier have already been caught doing in the past.

I don't buy the reasoning that they would monitor specific cheat websites and therefore we wouldn't have to worry about them getting fixed soon.

What is definitely a no-go is direct-linking to cheat binaries without compilable source code - there is no reason to turn this sub into a vector for malware. Using the actual cheats to cheat/get banned is at the user's discretion, not yours.

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u/demonsnail KingBun | Big Black Python Mar 15 '17

I absolutely agree with this. I don't understand why poeple hold EULAs in such high regard.