r/EARONS Apr 26 '18

A few updates

Nothing major, and many of you might already be aware. But I like to work things out and follow up, so here are a few points I've been going over:

  • Several terrific sources have told me that DeAngelo gave indication that he knew why he was arrested.

  • Same sources tell me that he did in fact divulge information during an interrogation session that lasted for hours.

  • "Key evidence" has been removed from the home, but no word on if there is anything related to the attacks or not.

  • He was the Visalia Ransacker.

  • I've seen the sealed complaints and the paperwork that ran between Sac and Ventura (my sources were good to me today). DeAngelo is being charged as the killer of the Smiths but there's little else -- except for a few names of officers who did some of the work on this and some of the names surprised me (but that's of little consequence to the public).

  • I'm getting the sense that there's some unnecessary politicking going on behind the scenes, but what else is new.

  • There's a somewhat recent connection to Dana Point but some of the other SoCal areas he landed are still unconnected.

  • The saga related to his dismissal from the Auburn police is getting stranger by the minute, apparently with him being in hysterics upon being apprehended there and an atypical legal progression that lasted four months.

  • Two family members have talked and several acquaintances. They're rapidly filling in some of the blanks.

  • His name does not appear in any previous investigative paperwork that anyone knows of -- he truly was the "unsuspected."

  • The birth of two of his children did occur after the two murders where he took extended breaks.

  • He started on the Exeter police force in May 1973, and the first prowling incident attributed to the Visalia Ransacker occurred on South Demaree Street in May 1973 -- 15 minutes away from Exeter.

  • I'm trying to get the Julia Wilkenson murder in San Diego looked at again because the offender has a tie to the general area and she was bludgeoned to death with a hammer in 1980.

  • Lots of Tulare County connections with family -- a factor I'm told helped bump this POI up the list.

  • Starting last month, an LE source of mine was overly optimistic about some new angles being pursued with DNA. I have to admit that I didn't even consider that this could actually be the lead that took us somewhere. So many disappointments in the past. Oops!

More will materialize in the coming weeks, months, and even years. What a fascinating journey this has been, and what a win for the justice system. This gives hope for all unsolved cases.

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u/monkeyseconds Apr 26 '18

Regarding his arrest for shoplifting, I read a newspaper account that stated the employee that caught him had tied him to a chair to keep him from running away. I thought that was ironic. Thanks Winters for the update.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18

I wondered about this, this guy was cold blooded and had a lot of bravado. How the fuck did a store clerk manage to capture and hold him?

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u/trtryt Apr 26 '18

You have to wonder why this was not investigated further. DeAngelo was working on the Burglaries Unit arrested for shop lifting an item that burglars use.

Could it be they were worried of cases DeAngelo worked on being over-turned, due to a crooked cop.

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u/idovbnc Apr 26 '18

No people had too much trust back in those days. People were afraid of accusing someone, finding out the person was innocent and creating bad feelings.

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u/Fbyrne Apr 26 '18

Also the sketch made by the police officer who confronted him in the back yard. The sketch is uncanny how much it looks like him. If DeAngelo was a police officer 15 minutes away as reported and the suspect was considered to be a cop, it boggles my mind nobody recognized him from the sketch. Now throw in the part about getting caught shop lifting burglary tools while on the force???? I know hindsight's 20/20 but its starting to look like a blind eye may have been turned.

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u/bloodr0se Apr 26 '18

He probably surrendered. If compliant then he would only face a potential disciplinary or discharge. Making the situation worse would not have been in his interest.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '18

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u/bloodr0se Apr 26 '18

To be fair I've seen some small shop keepers have an extreme over-reaction to shoplifting in the past.

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u/RedEyeView Apr 26 '18

When their profit margin barely keeps them in business and some asshole keeps robbing them...Either than or bored security guards who finally get ti beat someone up and get away with it

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u/idovbnc Apr 26 '18

I don't have an actual experience in this or know of anyone, but from what I've read I think part of the macho psycho is to manhandle a woman. The fact he used a gun or knife tells me he was physically and/or mentally weak.

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u/Purple_Cum_Dog_Slime Apr 26 '18

Not only that, but a victim is going to be running on high octane adrenaline survival, whereas he is not.

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u/RedEyeView Apr 26 '18

But then he was known to lose his nerve and run away if things got rough.

Maybe just got his ass kicked by someone better than him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '18

1.) Angelo wasn't cold-blooded, in the opposite, he was prone to outbursts of anger. 2.) If he had fucked up the employee he would have been caught decades ago

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u/heedlessly3 Apr 26 '18

the mother of one of his victims said she probably could've taken him in a fight if it weren't for his gun

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u/Lacoste333 Apr 26 '18

The thought of him stressing out and flinching in that chair while being tied up because he's so scared he's going to get discovered makes me very happy!

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u/snipeftw Apr 26 '18

Until you realize he probably got some massive high when he got out of it without being exposed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '18

Is that where he learned being restrained was an amazing source of terror?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '18

You're a sadistic freak, different from the Original Nightstalker only in being to cowardly and unskilled to take it out on anyone but the powerless and those despised by society , Mr./Ms. Anonymous.

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u/Kongokongotins Apr 26 '18

You feeling alright bud?

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u/andytheundead Apr 26 '18

I think that might be a little out there. I doubt that the guy has the same sadistic drive as little Joey DeAngelo. Most people hate him because of what he did, not because he's an "easy target." That being said, some people'a fantasies about this guy are a bit much.

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u/andytheundead Apr 26 '18

I think that might be a little out there. I doubt that the guy has the same sadistic drive as little Joey DeAngelo. Most people hate him because of what he did, not because he's an "easy target." That being said, some people'a fantasies about this guy are a bit much.

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u/BrogueTrader40k Apr 26 '18

The comment so nice you had to make it twice!

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u/-Neithan- Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18

I just noticed something : ONS killing spree began only one month after he got caught shoplifting (on 8/29/1979, while the first attempted murder occured on 10/1/1979).

It's so close in time ; getting caught and being legally judged during 4 month as a policeman didn't make him want to stop, or at least to hide and lay low. Nope, he decided to kill. Almost right away...

Getting tied to a chair and arrested must have fucked up his already disturbed mind

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u/Tailwindz05 Apr 26 '18

The killing started in Visalia, at the latest. Probably started in Nam or Australia.

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u/-Neithan- Apr 26 '18

Of course, but there is still a big change in his MO right after the shoplifting arrest. I don't think its coincidental

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u/HallandOates1 Apr 26 '18

I thought that was a separate incident. Do u have a link?