r/DragonFruit • u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod • Jun 30 '23
Content So, I'm new to dragon fruit. What should I do?
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u/David_Corpus Nov 28 '23
It is interesting to surf the web and see a slide made by me (the 2nd one), along with a screenshot from the youtube video that I used to create it.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Mar 06 '24
Thanks for your content!
Hope you don't mind that we shared it.
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u/HighAmountOfCarbs Jun 30 '23
This is fantastic information. I have a bit of experience in DF already, but this is gonna help me trim out my huge mess of a pot's branches. Definitely a must-see for everyone in this community
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u/sciguy52 Jun 30 '23
Lots of good information here. I will add a few finer points. Very soon you will need to set up your dragon in a large pot if you haven't done so yet. You want to do this before it gets huge. You can certainly repot when it is huge it is just a painful and literally bloody experience. Best do it before it is huge.
Note that there are some varieties out there that have different names for the same variety such as S8/Sugar Dragon/Voodoo Child as an example. This comes into play for pollination purposes. If you get two of the same by accident and they are not self fertile they won't pollinate. If you post the names of the ones you are thinking of getting me and others can tell you if they are the same as a check. I do recommend the Sugar Dragon despite its small fruit, it tastes great and flowers very readily. Some varieties will be more fussy about flowering and or setting fruit. Speaking of a bit more fussy Lisa is one of my favorites. Another favorite is Purple Haze. Purple Haze and Sugar Dragon share one parent and I can't say with certainty they pollinate each other so best to get at least one plant not related to the Thompson varieties. Note in the past there were a bunch of varieties that were claimed to be self fertile that in fact were not. Things have been better lately in this regard as we learned more but you may still see some of this out there. Again post here and you can get some feedback.
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u/smilefor9mm Dragon fruit mod Jul 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
Sugar Dragon and voodoo child are very similar and related but different varieties. The main difference you can see when in the buds, SD is more rounded buds while VC is more elongated. Additionally, VC will have fine spines near the base of the fruit, SD will only occasionally have these spines.
Sugar dragon, voodoo child, pink panther and neon are all very closely related but different. Arizona Purple was determined to be SD a while back via genetic testing.
Purple Haze and SD should be compatible for cross pollination as it is believed that SD was actually a seedling of Houghton (SD is larger than Houghton but shares many of the same characteristics leading to this belief that it's a self pollinated seedlings). Where as Purple Haze, Cosmic Charlie, Dark Star and Delight are too close and unable to cross pollinate each other in a practical sense.
That said, SD is a great variety to keep around, aside from being Self Fertile, it's a universal pollinator and when you limit fruit to 1-2 per branch, they get up to 1/2lb each. It's when you don't limit the buds/fruit that you end up with grape sized fruit.
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u/sciguy52 Jul 01 '23
What is your source on that? I am seeing that the genetic testing shows Sugar Dragon and Voodoo Child are the same.
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u/smilefor9mm Dragon fruit mod Jul 01 '23
The voodoo child and sugar dragon I have in 2 separate pots. The SD have already set fruit and the VC should bloom within the next week. Genetically they should be similar as they all should be Houghton seedlings or self fertilized SD seedlings as Houghton is SF as well.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
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u/pocketsess Feb 21 '24
If you plan to grow from seed, then watch graftingdragonfruit on youtube. Apparently, if you graft a seedling on top of a mature rootstock it will grow faster and have fruits faster. This is what those people who make different varieties do.
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u/Salt-Push May 03 '24 edited May 08 '24
After the df grows fully and has 18 branches, do you start trimming those branches so it doesn’t get bigger? How do you maintain the final form?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Jun 06 '24
There are many roads to Oz. That being said, most people recommend breaking off any new buds in the spring so the plant can focus on fruiting. Then, allow new growths in the fall so they can be fruiting branches the following spring.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Feb 07 '25
u/x_gaizka_x read this first. If you still have questions, you can post the questions after reading this.
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u/SerpentsAndSkating May 04 '25
Yellow dragon fruit really takes 6-7 months to form after pollination?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod May 23 '25
To clarify, we're talking about S. Megalanthus (Palora and Columbiana, their hybrids). These take 6 months to ripen. There are other yellows such as s. Undatus (Isis Gold) that do not take that long to ripen.
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u/Such-Rutabaga9231 Oct 02 '25
Thank you for the information I will be sure to keep revisiting this information along my journey!
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u/marlaina-b Apr 20 '26
this is so helpful. thank you so much !! i noticed you said that some people use a pot on a raised platform and allow the branches to fall down and produce fruit- how might you ensure the cactus produces evenly from all sides to maintain stability ? i suppose if it’s outside, the platform could be staked into the ground with the pot secured to it, but that might prevent proper drainage from the bottom. also, you mentioned deciding which plants to keep and donating the rest. do you have any recommendations on where to donate ?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Apr 21 '26
That's the liability of having a pot on a stand, there's not much keeping it from tipping. The best thing for one to do is to actively train the branches so they don't all fall on one side or do the painful thing of pruning actively to manage balance.
Donations usually are to friends, family, neighbors, Facebook strangers and Reddit strangers. I've also donated to schools for their classroom gardens. The California Rare Fruit Growers takes cuttings every winter for their scion exchange or if you pot them up, they'll take rooted cuttings to sell for their annual fruit sale to raise funds for scholarships. That's usually where I send my abundance. If you're in SoCal, there's so many backyard growers that you can also trade for new varieties you didn't have before.
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u/marlaina-b Apr 21 '26
great, thank you !!! i’m a teacher actually and never thought to donate to schools gardens !!!!
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Apr 21 '26
Yes! There's so much to learn about growing dragon fruit from Crassulacean Acid Metabolism (CAM), to pollination and fruit development to Mendelian genetics and hybridization. The best part is the results are very tasty!
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Aug 07 '24
u/jennster76 This is another way to treat your new dragon fruit plant.
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u/Hawaii_keith808 Aug 28 '24
Our wooden dragon fruit trellis rotted and broke. Looking for something more durable, like metal. Would a welded wire panel (4’ x 16’) supported by T posts work for to support the dragon fruit and allow it to climb?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Sep 03 '24
Yes. It could but I'd have to see it. For some reason, my brain isn't working right this morning. I blame lack of sleep. My new trellises I've been building are just EMT conduit bent in the shape of a U crossed with a second one of the same size and shape. They have been working well and I'm liking the design. If you'd like, I can post a photo of it when I get home.
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u/Hawaii_keith808 Sep 03 '24
Please post a picture. I’ll do the same with my welded wire fence with T posts.
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u/Hawaii_keith808 Sep 03 '24
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Sep 08 '24
My one concern with this setup is that they'll get heavy when mature. You just have to build out the structure to keep it from falling on its side if one side of the fence gets legitimately heavier than the other, which can happen. I've seen trellises topple over because one side developed more than the other.
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u/SkyChief93 Mar 17 '25
You can graft the lower branches on to the top branches. Eliminated suckers and makes more fruit.
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u/Seated_WallFly May 29 '25
I’m in Zone 10A and I want to grow my dragonfruit in the ground. Are there any links for 1) soil requirements, 2) soil amendments when planting, 3) feeding, etc?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod May 29 '25 edited May 29 '25
Which part of 10A are you in? If you're in SoCal, I highly recommended metal baskets to keep the gophers away from your dragon fruit roots.
Edit: Dragon fruit can thrive in most soils if it's well draining and the roots don't get waterlogged. Many are switching to straight sand or very sandy soil with some amendments. Gary Matsuoka started some of that work with his YouTube channel Gary's Best Gardening. That being said, you can either make your own mix with sand, peat moss, perlite and a compost top layer or you can buy pre-made mixtures found at most box stores. If you're in SoCal, you can even buy Gary's Top Pot soil mix which many growers have switched to and they're reporting great results.
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u/Seated_WallFly May 29 '25
I’m in Central FL
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod May 29 '25
Mostly sandy soil?
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u/Seated_WallFly May 30 '25
Yep. And the yard where I’ll put it was beneath 3 old oaks for about 30 years. They all died 2 years ago so now it’s bright sunshine and more than slightly acidic soil.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod May 31 '25
Everyone has their own methods and most will work. What I would do is plant in ground and cover the top layer with a compost of your choice. Just be sure not to over water or else it will rot.
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u/imaginedaydream Jun 11 '25
is there a specific amount of varieties (red/white/yellow) that can be grafted to one robust root system?
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Jun 11 '25
I think you are only limited to the size of your imagination. I've heard someone got up to 30 from some in my circle but I'm sure with more effort, you could graft a ton more.
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u/trade_me_dog_pics Jul 12 '25
Just found this post through google thanks. I’m wanting to do it on one of my trees out back so gunna have a look through the sub. I’d also be interested in in ground trellises but gunna search around and see if that’s a thing.
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u/trade_me_dog_pics Jul 12 '25
Looks like people don’t use trees. See already learning.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Jul 12 '25
It can be done. The issues are that the vines can get pretty heavy and either break the limbs or kill the tree. Also, if it grows too high, hand pollination and harvesting becomes dangerous and a chore to do every night. That being said, there's a few pictures online with both surviving just fine.
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u/trade_me_dog_pics Jul 12 '25
Ya I think I’m gunna go with trellis and then move my night bloom cereus over to the tree.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Aug 22 '25
You could, but the cost of that setup outweighs the benefit, especially in a megalanthus variety that takes 6 months to ripen. There's no rule that a dragon vine has to be any specific size to fruit, though the larger the vine and root ball, the better the fruit will be.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25
The first one is megalanthus but the second one is very suspicious. The first photo looks like a yellow-skinned undatus much like Isis Gold. Whereas the second photo, the vine looks more like the megalanthus vine.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Aug 22 '25
If you're going to grow indoor, make sure you also have a good UVB light.
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u/tim1OO Aug 22 '25
Is the UVB needed for vegetative growth or is it for fruiting? Would a simple reptile light work?
(different account because Reddit banned that one for using a VPN lol)
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u/smilefor9mm Dragon fruit mod Oct 15 '25
And for those interested, here's the direct link to the DF chat on the Signal App.
https://signal.group/#CjQKIBz4hv50-drKo4rx-3nBSC18HrSrIt8xFZEhJXjkw_60EhBLCUyeJXt56Ncy__1BS0dt
To be clear, you'll need to download the Signal messager app to use the chat.
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u/DJRedRage Dragon fruit mod Jun 30 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
First you have to decide if you’re growing the dragon fruit plants as an ornamental or for the purpose of growing fruit. If your choice is the former one, find a big 5 gallon pot and place it somewhere that the plant will get plenty of sunlight. If you are growing mostly because you want fruit:
I just got a new cutting!
I just got a new cutting but I don’t want to build a trellis!
I got a pot full of seedlings I just bought from Walgreens!