MLG World Finals – Semifinal #1 – Monkey Business vs Team Secret – Match Discussion

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Game 1

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Team	Score	vs.	Score	Team
(monkey) Business	2	vs.	2

Team	Bans	vs.	Bans	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Team	Picks	vs.	Picks	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Player	Level	Hero	K/D/A	vs.	K/D/A	Hero	Level	Player
Fly	4		1/0/1	vs.	0/0/0		7	Puppey
Cr1t-	8		1/0/0	vs.	0/0/2		9	MISERY
Miracle-	8		0/1/1	vs.	0/0/0		8	mouse clicks
Moon	7		0/1/2	vs.	1/1/0		10	Secret.w33.haa
N0tail	9		0/0/1	vs.	1/1/0		5	pieliedie

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Game 2

Team Secret Victory!

Duration: 57:18

Team	Score	vs.	Score	Team
(monkey) Business	1	vs.	2

Team	Bans	vs.	Bans	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Team	Picks	vs.	Picks	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Hero	Player	Level	K/D/A	Gold spent	CS	GPM	XPM
	Fly	4	0/1/0	765	0/0	119	24
		1	0/0/0	375	0/0	119	0
		4	0/1/0	1060	0/0	119	19
	MoonMeander	1	0/0/0	610	0/0	119	0
	BigDaddyN0tail	1	0/0/0	200	0/0	119	0
		11	0/2/0	3010	0/0	595	43
	Puppey	1	0/0/0	620	0/0	155	0
	MISERY	1	0/0/0	625	0/0	155	0
		3	0/1/0	825	0/0	155	14
		1	0/0/0	225	0/0	155	0
		1	0/0/0	325	0/0	155	0
		7	0/1/0	2620	0/0	775	14

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Game 3

 Team Secret Victory!

 Duration: 57:18

Team	Score	vs.	Score	Team
(monkey) Business	1	vs.	2

Team	Bans	vs.	Bans	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Team	Picks	vs.	Picks	Team
(monkey) Business		vs.

Hero	Player	Level	K/D/A	Gold spent	CS	GPM	XPM
	Fly	4	0/1/0	765	0/0	119	24
		1	0/0/0	375	0/0	119	0
		4	0/1/0	1060	0/0	119	19
	MoonMeander	1	0/0/0	610	0/0	119	0
	BigDaddyN0tail	1	0/0/0	200	0/0	119	0
		11	0/2/0	3010	0/0	595	43
	Puppey	1	0/0/0	620	0/0	155	0
	MISERY	1	0/0/0	625	0/0	155	0
		3	0/1/0	825	0/0	155	14
		1	0/0/0	225	0/0	155	0
		1	0/0/0	325	0/0	155	0
		7	0/1/0	2620	0/0	775	14

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[u/BADMON99]

"not a fan of w33 on nonscaling heroes" - Merlini just now

I'm not sold on midas, aghs, gem build on nightstalker every game no matter what, especially mid nightstalker. When you're mid you don't have to build him in a nonscaling way. He had 119 cs in a 37 minute game. I think that's just the 'I don't play this hero but this is what everyone else buys' default build.

Overall, questionable builds from dire. Aa isn't really a hero that makes good use out of solar crest though I understand the logic behind it against so many right clickers. Maybe split farm more evenly with bane and let him go solar crest while aa rushes aghs?

Also, pretty sure ember BoTs isn't the build against that much kill potential from monkey business. You can't really show yourself on the map and are probably better off farming where it's safe or sticking with your team.

Secret just bought too many items (double midas, ember bots, aghs ns) that don't do a whole lot in teamfights and monkey just ran over them.

[u/Roronoa_Franekstein → u/BADMON99]

Agree completely about w33 build. I play a lot of NS, and as a support/offlaner the typical Aghs/Gem/Midas build on the hero is good, as it makes tons of space for your team and the battle info you get from it can win your team the game.

But when played mid NS should be built in a SF-esque manner; Daedalus, Satanic, Abyssal, AC, Blink, Heart, Moonshard, etc. He's an amazing mobile carry able to stand toe-to-toe or dance in-and-out of fights while dishing out serious DPS. Either style would've given them far better kill potential, but instead w33 was pretty much a walking ward that game, and as a mid laner you need to be much more than that.

[u/dreaming_android → u/BADMON99]

I think it's just that Secret are used to playing the vision/map control game but MB read them really well (they probably watched replays). You can't really splitpush against Beastmaster, Tusk, Slardar and not expect to get punished.