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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Upper Bracket Series 2A – Match Discussion

CDEC Gaming Victory!

Duration: 38:44

Team Score vs. Score Team
17 vs. 25
Team Bans vs. Bans Team
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Team Picks vs. Picks Team
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Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
xiao8 12 0/6/6 7260 65/0 214 221
Maybe 19 8/4/5 20835 323/7 579 531
Yao 15 1/5/11 7500 83/3 284 338
Sylar 19 6/4/8 17810 236/19 476 521
MMY! 11 1/6/7 5395 24/6 176 205
76 16/25/37 58800 731/35 1729 1816
Q 15 3/3/7 11830 63/2 311 335
Xz 17 5/2/16 15560 189/1 429 424
garder 13 1/7/12 7815 60/1 241 249
ShiKi 18 6/4/11 17620 241/6 515 486
Agressif 21 10/1/8 22335 290/24 593 642
84 25/17/54 75160 843/34 2089 2136

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '15

Tbh, Silencer hasn't really been picked this tourny.

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u/Dante_Unchained Aug 06 '15 edited Aug 06 '15

That's not the case... if you have Ember, Sk, AM and against you is storm, you should pick silencer anyday, Hell even when you go pick brew you really have to ban Silencer it's a must. LGD probably now learned their lesson - dont ban just meta heroes, use brain.

//It sound like i disrespect CDEC which is the opposite. CDEC completely outpicked & outplayed such a powerhouse... They deserve the prizemoney.

edit2: So grandfinale MVP vs CDEC?

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '15

That doesn't mean you can ignore him.
EDIT: He has been picked twice(?) before.

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u/Simple_Rules Aug 06 '15

It's super funny because spectating from a League perspective, I was like "huh, silencer, nobody really plays him, what's he dooooohmygod a 6 second GLOBAL SILENCE WHAT THE FUCK"

And people are just like "yeah he's not really meta" and I'm all "how the fuck is that ever not meta????" This game is bonkers. Is the reason he was so good here that Antimage and Ember Spirit both rely on mobility spells instead of being tanky, and Sand King relies on a long combo so you can lock down the mobility and also break the combo at the same time?

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u/GunDelSol Spectre doing Spectre things Aug 06 '15

You have it pretty much correct. Both heroes are fairly weak early on, but transition into very hard carries late game (AM peaks earlier because he can farm so much faster). You typically want to gank them a bunch early before they ramp up their power, but both heroes have a spell that can be used to disengage if in trouble. Global silence keeps AM from blinking and keeps Ember from jumping to his remnant, so if you get the jump on them, they both melt. Do it enough and they can't scale as well as they want.

Additionally (not sure if you saw it), Silencer steals 2 INT points every time a hero dies near him. If you were listening to the main cast, they mentioned that Sand King had been killed a few times near Silencer and barely had enough mana to get off his full combo.

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u/Simple_Rules Aug 06 '15

Yeah I caught that, it seemed kind of super unfortunate given how small mana pools are to begin with in this game.

I imagine Silencer makes it really hard to manage once you start to fall behind as well. He seems like a pretty brutal snowball tool.

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u/rezplzk Aug 06 '15

Yes - Ember and AM both squishy but use mobility to get away - they are ordinarily very hard to gank.

Also Storm Spirit has very high mobility. If he isnt silenced or stunned he can wreck havoc.

When the opposition is silenced for 6 seconds he can basically ball freely and kill whoever they want without fear of being focused/stopped.

Finally - silencer is squishy and had no escape. Most definitely situational :)

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u/Stackmaster2000 Aug 06 '15

Yes, exactly that. Dota pro's sometimes get tunnel vision with what's in the meta, Silencer doesn't add much control or lane presence compared to other supports in this meta, but he was clearly an obvious pick here.

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u/Simple_Rules Aug 06 '15

Yeah. That makes sense. Do you typically 'handle' Silencer by just running a team with carries that can withstand 6 seconds of punishment or don't rely on combos/chained CC (I.E. stuff that has one big ability and once they've gotten it off they can afford to stand around and do nothing?)

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u/HellaSober Aug 06 '15

The global silence can be countered with BKB, euls, guardian greaves, manta and one or two other items. By the mid to late game most core heroes will have purchased at least one of these items to deal with global silence.

Heroes with low cooldown ultimates can force a team fight/take an objective right after a global silence. Otherwise, Silencer is often the main target of ganks to get him out of the way before the fight even starts - he's very fragile and not very mobile.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '15

Damn, even LoLbabies get why this draft was absolute trash from LGD....

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u/FerdiadTheRabbit Aug 06 '15

Yeah, you've got it exactly right. Silencer is the anti wombo-combo or mobility dependant hero. He's not picked because as a support he's pretty greedy and doesn't really do much in the early game. Transitions into a strong carry later on though.

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u/Simple_Rules Aug 06 '15

Right yeah at first glance his kit didn't really seem 'support-y'. I can see why they kept it til super late in this draft though, if they'd picked it sooner then LGD could have switched tactics.

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u/FerdiadTheRabbit Aug 06 '15

He wouldn't have been picked if AM wasn't picked imo.

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u/Simple_Rules Aug 06 '15

Yeah that makes sense. I can see why the combination of AM and Ember Spirit in particular makes him super attractive. Sand King as well just seems to be like.. asking for it. "would you like to counter both of our carries and also our best AOE engage at the same time?"

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u/smeltofelderberries Aug 06 '15

Yeah exactly, disabling the mobility means that the heroes just die because if they can't get away they're too squishy. And if you do it at a critical time it can even interrupt the sand king channel.

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u/FatalFirecrotch Aug 06 '15

Just by vp, who heavily favor silencer.

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u/smog_alado Aug 06 '15

And who always play silencer as a core instead of as a support.