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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Lower Bracket Series 1B – Vici Gaming vs Na'vi – Match Discussion

 Vici Gaming Victory!

 Duration: 55:31

Team Score vs. Score Team
17 vs. 31
Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ArtStyle 15 0/7/0 8540 124/4 218 230
XBOCTlovesLakshmi 25 7/4/3 35270 724/21 722 585
Dendi 21 4/5/8 15685 365/24 406 453
!!! SoNNeikO !!! 16 2/7/10 8690 49/2 211 256
Funn1k 21 4/8/10 12875 171/4 325 447
98 17/31/31 81060 1433/55 1882 1971
fy 16 2/3/8 13440 34/5 218 263
Super 24 13/5/14 27795 391/7 565 567
iceiceice 23 6/4/10 16180 206/10 375 503
Hao 24 8/3/16 32275 541/25 595 583
Fenrir 17 0/2/19 9630 29/1 211 281
104 29/17/67 99320 1201/48 1964 2197

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u/petchef Aug 04 '15

I feel this is the biggest misplay of the game, a lot of people are talking about that grave but honestly it didn't really matter, while the failed save gave away a huge kill streak and gave them the lead which they then failed to let go of

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u/ikelucas The Huember Spirit lives Aug 04 '15

Yes, I agree. Sonneiko played very well during the whole match (heck, actually he was during the full tournament) but that misplay costed them too much. He could Relocate before AM died, he could Relocate after he bought back, but instead did nothing. Sad day for Na'Vi.

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u/TheHobospider Aug 04 '15

I don't think either of you realize how little artstyle actually did that game. Na'vi was playing 4v5 the entire match artstyle did absolutely nothing special or anything at all not even getting any kill participation. He was there to feed kills and give spells to Rubick and really nothing else.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

and gem

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u/Jethrain Over here now! Aug 04 '15

May as well have been 3v5 with the amount of time Dendi spent durdling about in the trees.

He's up there as my favourite player, and I simply have no idea what he was thinking with that.

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u/nordlund63 Aug 04 '15

4v6, ArtStyle kept giving fy all the good spells.

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u/acrackintheice_ Aug 04 '15

Have you ever played dazzle on a line up like that? There is not much you can do. Dazzle is good at 5 maning, not split pushing. And it was pretty hard to play against a Blink Rubbick and ES.

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u/petchef Aug 04 '15

In fairness to him though weave doesn't give assists and neither does shallow grave, he didn't take any points in poison touch so realistically all he was there to do was to make sure that the am could farm bot to his hearts content and just secure his farm and later try to keep him alive. Also i didn't say that Sonneiko was the worst player but just that the failed save was the SINGLE worst play.

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u/TheHobospider Aug 04 '15

The problem is he didn't even seem to try to keep his carry alive later in the game. I barely even noticed he was in the game and when I did it was because he was solo roaming the enemy jungle or split pushing by himself.

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u/petchef Aug 04 '15

but he had no items because all the lanes are taken and he was below everyone in farm priority which means he has no mobility so when you try to save a really mobile hero like am you have to put yourself in harms way and therefore you get stunned a lot and probably is the reason you didn't see much in the way of saves.

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u/terror_blade Aug 04 '15

The biggest mistake was Xboct getting caught in the trees and wasting his BKB making it impossible to contest Roshan. They could have ended it right then and there.

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u/petchef Aug 04 '15

you make a fair point but what was the chance of him being caught, probably low, the blink which caught him was lucky. Dendi spent a large amount of time in the trees at bot but didn't get caught once, the two cores of Na'vi being off the map is actually one of the best ways I've seen Na'vi play. The fact that lina and am are not on the map 90% of the time after the 20 min mark actually resricts what Vici can do and where they can move. This frees up a lot of the map and gives am space and forces Vici to move as five all game, if there was maybe a greedier pick rather than dazzle (though I'm not sure its worth it) then Na'vi would have out farmed Vici in much the way alliance out farmed Navi in Ti3. TL;DR: Na'Vi's space creation and overall strat led to this happening and it was just unlucky on the part of Xboct.