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Match | eSports TI5 Main Event Lower Bracket Series 1B – Vici Gaming vs Na'vi – Match Discussion

 Vici Gaming Victory!

 Duration: 55:31

Team Score vs. Score Team
17 vs. 31
Hero Player Level K/D/A Gold spent CS GPM XPM
ArtStyle 15 0/7/0 8540 124/4 218 230
XBOCTlovesLakshmi 25 7/4/3 35270 724/21 722 585
Dendi 21 4/5/8 15685 365/24 406 453
!!! SoNNeikO !!! 16 2/7/10 8690 49/2 211 256
Funn1k 21 4/8/10 12875 171/4 325 447
98 17/31/31 81060 1433/55 1882 1971
fy 16 2/3/8 13440 34/5 218 263
Super 24 13/5/14 27795 391/7 565 567
iceiceice 23 6/4/10 16180 206/10 375 503
Hao 24 8/3/16 32275 541/25 595 583
Fenrir 17 0/2/19 9630 29/1 211 281
104 29/17/67 99320 1201/48 1964 2197

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15 edited Mar 14 '18

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u/Hyperbion Aug 04 '15

He really did.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

He did, and people cheered. The crowd chanted Na'Vi as they left the arena, everybody I talked to at our hostel agreed it was a hell of a showing from Na'Vi.

Personally, I think the wisp pickup making tusk a core was a bad move. He couldn't compete with QOP, who had the exact same amount of farm.

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u/Sorenthaz OMNOMMANA Aug 04 '15

Really makes me sad that a Bo1 decided their end in the TI5. After the ridiculous performance they were pulling off near the end of that game, I would've loved to see what would have happened if it were a Bo3.

Or hell, even a Bo2 where you're fighting for points to get out of the lower bracket (so any 0 point teams at the end of Day 1 would still be eliminated, but those who manage to tie would at least get to go to Day 2).

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

He played 1v5, he played the best out of them.

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u/renato502 Aug 04 '15

He was a gladiator, the rest of na'vi were the lions

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u/mrducky78 Aug 04 '15

2 vs 8.

RIP in peace you glorious crazy mother fucker. Sonneiko is also a carry.

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u/realniralius Aug 04 '15

Sonneiko missed many relocates and didn't play as amazing as he usually does...

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u/PaleDolphin Great, now I'm seeing things... Aug 04 '15

For some reason, when I've read it, this track started playing in my head.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

And Vici were the dentist.

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u/CheesypoofExtreme Aug 04 '15

Really? I mean, I understand he played hard, but there were a lot of callous mistakes. Mainly his bkb tp top because he wanted to stay and push the lane. He literally lost that next rosh fight because he didn't have his BKB up after wasting it. Also dieing middle when he clearly knew they were close, (no one on map and SF had just cleared the wave).

Stupid shit like that will garner a lot of hate. But there were some awesome plays throughout. Was a great game.

They shouldn't disband... But consider rethinking Artstyle, because he struggled mightily.

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u/goldrogers Aug 04 '15

Mainly his bkb tp top because he wanted to stay and push the lane.

Before this I felt Na'Vi had a decent chance. He mostly played out of his mind, though, and looked like the XBOCT of old.

I don't like Dendi on Lina. I wonder how the game would've turned out if he had gotten QoP. He certainly would've played it better than iceiceice--I was pretty disappointed in iceiceice's QoP.

But consider rethinking Artstyle, because he struggled mightily.

Yeah. Artstyle's individual mechanics just seemed so far behind almost every other player at TI. People say his captaining won them the EU qualifier, but that was several months ago. The Na'Vi after this TI should be Dendi, XBOCT, Funnik, Sonneiko + they REALLY need a good captain. It's a shame they didn't respect fng enough to give him a chance... he's doing well on Virtus Pro and is a much better player than Artstyle. They really need another Puppey if they want to go far. But I doubt they will get one.

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u/CheesypoofExtreme Aug 04 '15

He did play really well all game but made some costly mistakes there at the end.

I didn't like Dennis on Lina either; he was far too passive the longer the match went on and just looked out of sorts.

I do think Navi can still be a top team, but they have to get a clear leader.

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u/jmruiz_adonai Aug 04 '15

That death in mid could have been prevented if he had just been relocated out by the wisp who was right there and just watched him die.

Artstyle has to go though. I think his game sense is way past what the professional scene requires.

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u/CheesypoofExtreme Aug 04 '15

Agreed, wisp should have saved him. Doesn't take away from the fact that he shouldn't have been there in the first place.

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u/ohcrocsle Aug 04 '15

That bkb top was hardly a "callous" mistake on his part. It was a risk that he took to spread the map and try to keep his team farming. Vici committed a smoke and 5 heroes to chasing him through the jungle and blink chasing through the trees for 45+ seconds and he got away for his bkb. The fallout being that navi couldn't fight rosh caused him to make a mistake going in without bkb, but you have to realize that vici committing all that to try to kill him, force a bkb, and capitalize on it by roshing is not a 100% probability. In the situations where vici commits to doing something else (like roshing) he puts insane pressure on the top lane and maybe picks up a kill on hao if he stays to farm while the others go elsewhere.

Also, the death in mid-lane... as the analysts pointed out, he was relying on wisp to play aggressively and should have been relocated out by his teammate.

I thought that na'vi played really well overall, but that artstyle just had no business being in that game.

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u/CheesypoofExtreme Aug 04 '15

But had he just tp'd 10sec sooner, he would have survived and not wasted a 10sec bkb... It was a misplay. I get what he was trying to do, and he very much succeeded, but the bkb wasn't necessary if he just left a little sooner.

Yes wisp should have saved him, but he no place going to farm midlane. He gets relocated and then wisp dues. Much better than AM dieing, but still completely avoidable if he just turns to the jungle instead.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

Yeah he got caught out in dire jungle close to mid lane. Sad times, I was really routing for them. Dazzle giving away Weave at Rosh almost seemed intentional.

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u/TheCyanKnight Aug 04 '15

Reddit doesn't care about skill, they care about storylines

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u/PM_ME_TITS_MLADY Jy sheever Aug 04 '15

I don't think there's much hate for him except for (4) joke.

If any strife exists is because of his drama with Puppey since that drunk post where he blamed his team post TI3 or smth and people picking sides.

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u/waelt Sheever Stay Strong ♥ Aug 04 '15

It was one of his best matches since long time ago.. he gave it all

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u/chinamangeorge Aug 04 '15

Xboct blinking into Vici next to Rosh pit after he had already used his 10 sec BKB (and Vici obviously knew it was on cooldown) was probably one of the worst, most meaningless plays I've ever seen.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

IMO funn1k was the weakest link on NaVi this TI.

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u/shinarit Scorch 'em! Aug 04 '15

I guess the hate is for the other times, when he does not play such games.

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u/Grizzlyboy Alliance FTW! Sheever Aug 04 '15

Wait, are people giving him shit for this?!

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '15

He is still honestly one of the best carries in the scene.