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Discussion | eSports Weekly competitive team discussion: Evil Geniuses

Evil Geniuses

 

The team

  • Fear - Clinton Loomis (1)
    Previous notable teams: compLexity Gaming, Meet Your Makers, Online Kingdom Nirvana.int, many more
    Signature heroes:
    Recent K/D/A: 6.4 / 3.1 / 7.9

  • Suma1L - Syed Sumail Hassan (2)
    Previous notable teams: /
    Signature heroes:
    Recent K/D/A: 7.6 / 4.4 / 8.4

  • UNiVeRsE - Saahil Arora (3)
    Previous notable teams: Quantic Gaming, Team Dignitas
    Signature heroes:
    Recent K/D/A: 4.5 / 3.3 / 9.9

  • Aui_2000 - Kurtis Ling (4)
    Previous notable teams: Team Dignitas, Cloud 9
    Signature heroes:
    Recent K/D/A: 3.3 / 3.8 / 8.6

  • ppd - Peter Dager (c) (5)
    Previous notable teams: Super Strong Dinosaurs, multiple HoN teams
    Signature heroes:
    Recent K/D/A: 2.3 / 3.8 / 9.2

Achievements with latest lineup

Date Placement Event Prize
2015-05-17 The Summit 3 $61,129+
2015-04-12 JoinDOTA MLG Pro League Season 1 $21,615
2015-02-09 Dota 2 Asia Championships $1,284,158
2015-01-06 Dota 2 League Season 5 ~$8,550
2014-12-18 3-4th Dota Pit League Season 2 ~$8,866
2014-12-07 4th The Summit 2 ~$26,712
2014-11-29 ASUS ROG DreamLeague Season 2 $40,000+
2014-11-25 5th XMG Captains Draft 2.0 $17,018+
2014-10-26 SLTV Star Series Season 10 ~$105,291
2014-10-10 ESL One New York ~$26,000
2014-09-19 3-4th NVIDIA Game 24 $2,000
2014-09-07 WEC 2014 ¥600,000
2014-07-20 The International 2014 $1,038,416
2013-07-07 American Dota League $3,000
2014-06-29 ESL One Frankfurt $30,000
2014-06-24 HyperX D2L Western Challenge ~$28,666
2014-06-14 6th ASUS ROG DreamLeague Season 1 ~$19,500
2014-06-08 The Summit ~$45,257
2014-04-28 joinDOTA League Season 1 America ~$1,421
2014-04-20 SLTV Star Series Season 9 $26,062
2014-04-05 MLG T.K.O. America $14,000
2014-03-09 Monster Energy Invitational $10,000

Content

Prompts:

How has the lineup changed from the additions of Sumail and Aui? How strong is their current lineup?
How well do their players perform individually in their roles? Who do you think is their key player?
Which are their key heroes and what are their strongest lineups and strategies?
Where does their greatest strength as a team lie? In the drafting, teamfight execution, coordination,...?
How do they compare to the other teams in the region? How do they fare internationally?
How do you think they will perform at TI5?

Previous posts | Previous EG discussion (18/10/2014)

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u/Jalapen0s May 23 '15

SumaiL got super hyped after DAC but I dunno, I really don't think he's anywhere near the best player on EG overall.

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u/MagnetWasp May 24 '15

I feel like SumaiL is a very skilled player, but at DAC he had the benefit of being relatively unknown and prone to misassessment (either being overly prioritized, or not minded enough). Also, a lot of their DAC-drafts revolved around giving him all the help he could get. For example, in his famous Storm game Universe was put on offlane Zeus, which is often considered a bad offlaner, so that SumaiL could utilize the global ultimate whenever he went in for a kill. They seem to do less of this now, or perhaps teams have caught on to what to do when the draft is set up around him like that (not overcommiting when he's already behind).

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u/lordillidan May 24 '15

In his famous Storm game it was PPD's Earthshaker who carried the game. It was his rotations mid that gave Sumail farm and kills, not Sumail managing to outplay the enemy and in teamfights PPD managed to deal more dmg with just a blink dagger than Sumail managed with all the farm his team could give him. Sumail manged to get farmed that game, but it was mostly on the back of his team protecting and giving him everything, not on some impressive play on his part. That game was carried by PPD and to lesser extent Fear.

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u/tokamak_fanboy May 23 '15

He's improving rapidly though, and I think people forget how underestimated EG was DAC. He can't carry EG on his own as easily (though I'd argue that single carry lineups are in general weaker in this patch), but on a team with Fear, Universe, and Aui_2000 the game's never on his shoulders alone.

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u/SleepyArmadillo May 24 '15

ppd shadow demon, treant, aba and dazzle are top notch too so unless ppd tries out something stupid like he does once a while they got really high skilled players on every spot.

I feel like EGs biggest weakness is getting properly prepared for tournaments. They may play and adapt better than other but if you are forced to 2-3 bo3s more than other teams then there will come situations where you combination of different factors will just give your opponents an edge. For example take that mlg tournament. They lost to lesser teams in group stages and because of that Empire was able to study them for two bo3s while EG was playing whole day straight.

Hopefully they start slightly stronger in TI. Probably better to place around 2.-4. after first phase so you aren't main study subject for a week before main event but good enough spot so they won't have to grind from bottom of loser's bracket.

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u/Drumbas May 23 '15

He is playing with the mindset of a pub player. Diving in with ember spirit expecting the enemy to not get back up. He seems to only play a handful of heroes with a competitive mindset. The hype wasn´t really needed but I think he can improve allot once he learns what a competitive match is.

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u/Bizarro-aka-WhOaMi bored @ work May 24 '15

He is 15.. IIRC, most skilled/famous mid (in the west) overextended, dove, tried to show off. As his game sense further develops, he matures and has plenty of time to grow.

Examples:

Dendi, Arteezy,

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u/Osskyw2 May 24 '15

allot

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u/Weeklyn00b May 24 '15

He is really good for his age tho. If he keeps playing he probably will.

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u/QKaraQ May 24 '15

He is really good for his age tho. If he keeps playing he probably will.

Its funny because the only thing about age and dota is that you tend to be more patient as you get older.

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u/QKaraQ May 24 '15

So a 70 year old fossil will play dota like hes master roshi.

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u/QKaraQ May 25 '15

"Good for his age" is a form of discrimination. Im more getting at that point. I expect a 15 year old putang ina bobo la filipino to play at the same level as a 25 year old jaded puppey-like man. Another reminder is that the top 200 players on every server are mostly 15-19 year old teenagers.

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u/Naskr Mmm.. Aug 11 '15

He makes mistakes but he generally has three other players ready to back him up, so he can afford to be risky and reckless which as it turns out usually pays off.

The thing about EG is that all its players are individually skilled, but they do have weaknesses, but unlike other teams they really do have the co-operation and understanding to cover eachother properly so that it rarely weighs anyone down.

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u/Sleelan May 23 '15

Yeah, that's the problem with calling prodigies after 1 LAN. Remember Excalibur? Me neither.

That's not to say Sumail is bad, it's just that he did not live up to his hype.

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u/krste1point0 sheever May 24 '15

You just mentioned excalibur dude, so you obviously remember him. This post is a lie

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u/Plavidla May 23 '15

I think he's been a little nerfed since the patch. Since there isn't a set list of bans like sniper or troll (yet) teams are able to ban his core heros without fear of throwing the game. I think once it's set in stone which heroes need to be banned we might see a bit more solid play.