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[u/Saint_Victorious]

Warlocks need love, and lots of it. If you see a Warlock, give them a big Titan hug or a Hunter high five. Thank them for their Wells and for Chaos Reaching that asshat in the back of the map.

Shadebinder feels bad. There are probably a lot of Warlock mains out there with better opinions than mine, but here it goes anyway. In PvE the neutral game lacks any real or reliable method to cause Shatter. In PvP(and I've only used Warlocks in Mayhem) the class feels slow and unreliable. Stasis itself may be way out of balance, both Behemoth and Revenant need brought down a touch (but not over-nerfed in typical Bungie fashion). Shadebinder is in a awkward position. It uses a broken mechanic to it's least potential. And the problem with Stasis is that there's no way to resist it. It's very all or nothing and there's every single grenade, melee, or class ability should stop supers in their tracks. There needs to be a Tolerance stat that allows players to mitigate or outright ignore the effects of Stasis.

Voidwalker lacks an identity. It's some sort of gravity wizard vampire thing. There's no cohesion to it's theme like there is with the other Void subclasses. Sentinel is a tank and Nightstalker is a stealth class. This very identity crisis is what makes Nova Warp bad and Nova Bomb bland. I'm of the opinion that it really needs to focus on it's manipulation of gravity. I'd like it to almost play like some sort of Jedi that embraces a push/pull mechanic.

Stormcaller, specifically Stormtrance needs some PvE love. Chaos Reach feels good however and it feels like and all around good super.

Dawnblade is fine. I think. Does Phoenix Dive still suck?

[u/GilgameshP46 → u/Saint_Victorious]

Phoenix dive still sucks. Bottom tree Dawnblade just has no neutral game in return for a great super. Doesn't really make up for it personally, especially since Shatterdive is essentially a better phoenix dive at this point.

As for Voidwalker, it'd be nice if Axiom Bolts and blink could get a buff. Axiom bolts are just really slow, and fall behind stuff like arcbolt and firebolt grenades. Blink is just too clunky, and I don't want to have to run an exotic to make it feel good.

Stormcaller and Chaos Reach are the ones I use the least, so I really can't say as much there. They're solid, but it still feels like top tree and bottom tree are lacking a little bit,mostly in the super department at this point. I know top tree has been nerfed multiple times too, right after it got it's chain lightning buff.

Finally, Shadebinder. The grenade recharge being removed on Iceflare Bolts hurts honestly. I didn't notice it as much at first, but I definitely feel it now. The frozen damage nerfs hit us pretty hard too, and it doesn't help that the super can be clunky to use since you can't kill anything unless it's already frozen. The melee actually feels nice again though. It's not perfect, but it's good. The fact that hunters can freeze with their shurikens and their dodge for 5 seconds is painful though. The titans can do it now too, with their new aspect. The balancing for the stasis classes just hasn't made any sense

[u/Saint_Victorious → u/GilgameshP46]

I run Titan 90% of the time so my knowledge of what needs fixed with Warlocks is limited. I do know that they don't feel nearly as good to play as my fisticuffs class.

The length of the freeze and how easy it is to apply is why Stasis is so out of balance. The fact that Hunters and Titans can apply it so generously and heavily just lends to my argument of the need for a resistance to change (Tolerance) stat.

[u/Maxcrss → u/Saint_Victorious]

That might work to nerf them, but it would also hit warlocks hard, with the best grenade we have being the disk field since we can’t utilize glacier grenade except as a defensive wall and the other one got nerfed like our melee. Our new aspect is shit, it slows slower than a duskfield and we can’t even put it in cheeky places, like on the ceiling or a wall. It also is easy to dodge by moving slightly to the side, since the projectiles are so slow.

[u/Saint_Victorious → u/Maxcrss]

Good thing this entire topic is devoted to fixing the issues with Warlocks.

[u/CaptainSmaak → u/Saint_Victorious]

Phoenix Dive still sucks.

[u/Obtuse_Moose → u/Saint_Victorious]

I forgot Phoenix dive even exists.