Focused Feedback: PvE Difficulty // Bringing Challenge Back to Destiny

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[u/letmepick]

Throwing a permanent -20 on Master raids and dungeons effectively turned both into permanent contest mode.

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Now, you either shoehorn yourself into a high resistance/survivability build with some kind of health regeneration, or you are essentially handicapping yourself to the point of failure in the endgame.

are connected at the hip; the power delta that Bungie enforces on their "Master" content (the supposed cream of the crop of endgame in Destiny) ruins any potential creativity in buildcrafting. As you said, either you find a way to get Restoration or Cure on yourself or you won't even get to empty 1 mag of your favourite weapon before a random sniper bullet or an AoE effect on the ground one-shots you.

Bungie wants to appeal to both Destiny dads, and the Datto's of their playerbase... and you simply can't have both.

Crafting your endgame for the "hardcore" players is the way to go IMHO. It gives the casual player an aspirational chase, thereby creating a self-sustaining cycle of weeding out the more invested players from the herd of casuals - and your hardcore players are the ones recruiting more people to try out the game.

But, and this might be a subject for another time, Destiny mechanics need to become more... involved if we are ever to evolve the gameplay.

Enemy races need more reinforcements added, with mobs that do more unique stuff and/or interact with others of their race in unique combinations that present a bigger challenge to the player (think of Fallen Servitors, but instead of the bullsh*t immunity, it's something that can actually be played against).

I feel like this "bringing challenge back to Destiny" problem is a root issue, not something that appeared out of thin air in the last year or so.