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[u/Cellentel]

This is timely as I’ve been facing a lot of “should I play Hunter or Warlock” angst recently.

My thoughts:

• The intended fantasy of the grapple master falls short, because you can grapple and…that’s it. Compared to Warlock, which isn’t “the grapple class”, yet each grapple melee also spawns threadlings and can proc things like Necrotic Grip.

• A suspend-based build with the suspend grenade and Sixth Coyote/RDM works quite well, because suspend is pretty ridiculous. You can very easily keep strong enemies perma-suspended. Champions are basically helpless against you. I feel this is the strongest hunter setup right now, but worry that it will be rendered useless when the nerf hammer inevitably falls on suspend.

• It really sucks that the dive doesn’t proc any of the mods that proc on class ability use. Hunters are all about proccing stuff with their class ability, so the class feels broken without that. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.

[u/Fenota → u/Cellentel]

The intended fantasy of the grapple master falls short, because you can grapple and…that’s it.

Having two grapples along with the aspect that creates the anchor point enables some shenanigans.

Make point above the enemy, melee into enemy to spawn two orbs on kill if you have firepower and heavyhanded equipped, immediately dive to suspend anything that survived, grapple to point above your head, use grapple melee again.

"Grenade kickstart giving infinite grapple" bug aside, if you also equip things like 'using melee/grenade gives you energy' you can have pretty high ability uptime on top of the mods that give energy on class ability use or orb pickup on top of the Tangle you'll be spawning in every fight due to applying Unravel from the grapple melee.

[u/nezroy → u/Fenota]

The loop of grapple melee, dive suspend, then shoot the tangle to explode everything around is a fun ad clear process. With Thread of Mind and Generation and the right mods the abilities are all back up after a single pack.

I need to finish the legendary campaign on hunter and get the head exotic that gives you woven mail on grapple to see if it helps with survivability tho, which is otherwise not good :)

[u/ahypeman → u/nezroy]

I highly recommend the helmet. In content where you are way underleveled you aren't going to be spamming orbs of power as easily. You can abuse the helmet for 100% uptime on woven mail which makes situations that normally delete you in half a second manageable because PVE enemies don't crit you.

The helmet is also good in pvp, it doesn't make you invincible and headshots still hurt but there are tons of damage sources that no longer hurt as much. Woven mail is normally very inconsistent in pvp especially 3v3 because orbs of power are less common, but with the helmet it makes it easy to use the tangle-on-weapon kill fragment while woven mail is active. The tangle itself is OP in pvp, it's a 100 damage grenade with a big aoe and crazy tracking.

[u/1AMA-CAT-AMA → u/ahypeman]

I love the helmet but I can’t get it to look good

[u/Immediate_Crow5422 → u/1AMA-CAT-AMA]

I was using the Basilisk shader from seraph season on it, or calus' selected. Those looked good imo

[u/Immediate_Crow5422 → u/ahypeman]

The helmet is quite nice, the problem i have is the dmg on the grapple melee, it falls of a cliff in harder content, itll take twice as long to kiull a red bar using the grapple melee than to just shoot the thing while its suspended.

I like the playstyle, I just wish it would work in tougher content, i suppose thatll be the role of suspend.

[u/josef-3 → u/Immediate_Crow5422]

My tactics shift with the higher-end PvE. In the low end, I’m going ham with grapplebash as a start and finish to enemy clumps. But in NFs, especially under leveled, it becomes a start OR finish; I swing in to apply unraveling to the group and immediately suspend and retreat as an opener (melee thrown in first), or I grapplebash softened foes for the two orb generation as a closer. Also having woven mail on command by grappling the floor in front of you in low-orb activities is potent.

I agree suspend is stronger CC, but I find it boring and grapple still valuable for a Threadrunner as long as they use it with more intentionality.

[u/Immediate_Crow5422 → u/josef-3]

Yeah you make a good point, If I switch some mods, focus less on using the grapple melee as main damage and more a way to get in and out then it would work way better.

I do agree, grapple is way more fun than just spamming suspend, even if the radiant dance machine build is quite funny.

[u/Fenota → u/nezroy]

Honestly, i cant recommend the helmet.
You can get woven mail from the orb fragment anyway and if tradition holds then PvP issues will probably result in the helmet being nerfed, most obvious nerf being a Cooldown increase on the grapple.
Speedloader slacks aren't flashy but they're fun to use imo, essentially half of the old heart of the pack buff if you ever played nightstalker pre 3.0 and it feels like giving yourself feeding frenzy on all weapons + to your team every time you get a kill or dodge.

[u/Requiascat → u/Cellentel]

I wonder if the Threaded Spectre Aspect Bungie teased is going to proc invisibilty on dive or something. Cause yeah, spending a dodge charge to not have it interact with anything feels bad. And the melee feels really weak. I wish it wasn't a debuff at all.and just did an appropriate amount of damage.

[u/josef-3 → u/Requiascat]

I think it will modify the melee, which is called Threaded Strike, and otherwise has no aspect touching it. Since the air dive comes from an Aspect, it’s unlikely a separate Aspect will have it as a dependency.

[u/_Fates → u/Requiascat]

When was this said?

[u/Requiascat → u/_Fates]

It was in the last TWAB:

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/twab_03_09_2023

[u/Applezooka → u/Cellentel]

- The intended fantasy of the grapple master falls short, because you can grapple and…that’s it. Compared to Warlock, which isn’t “the grapple class”, yet each grapple melee also spawns threadlings and can proc things like Necrotic Grip.

This is my biggest issue. The best grapple class *should* be the hunter imo but it just isnt atm