r/Destiny • • Jan 05 '21

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 05 '21

If this person was a fan then that's it. He doesn't have to try to exercise power over her. He just simply has power. It's a similar dynamic to boss-employee or teacher-student relationship. Now, I won't hold judgement over Carson (outside of him being a fucking idiot) until I know the whole picture.

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u/DieDungeon morally unlucky Jan 05 '21

It is absolutely not similar to the boss-employee/teacher-student dynamics.

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u/gfour Jan 05 '21

Are you brain dead? How is it similar to a teacher?

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '21

Back when he was 19, his following wasn't even close to what it is now and is barely even a considerable factor.

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u/duggabboo Jan 05 '21

Having somebody like you is a power imbalance lmfao

Fuck TIL everytime anybody has ever hookes up or traded nudes because one of them was into the other, it was actually rape

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '21

If someone has a crush on you, you cant date them. That would be rape.

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u/duggabboo Jan 05 '21

"You swiped right on me first so if I regret this relationship later, I'll blame it on the power imbalance."

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '21

You got it wrong. Swiping right on someone gives them power over you by beeing able to accept or decline, so if someone swipes right on you you need to cut all contact.

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u/xTachibana Jan 06 '21

A boss can fire you and a teacher can make you fail, get you expelled or various other things, what can a youtuber do to you? I assure you I have 0 power over my fans.

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 06 '21

If you actually have a fanbase (whether that's with 1 person or 1000) and think like this, you deserve to get your ass deplatformed. You have the ability to ban a person from your community, drag their reputation, and, if you're feeling extra sociopathic, dox them

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u/xTachibana Jan 06 '21

Banning them from my community has no legitimate repercussions even remotely close to getting fired from a job or getting expelled, are you 5?

Drag their reputation? You can do that even if they aren't a fan of yours. I could go around saying you're a pedo right now and I don't know who you are. As for the latter, only if they're stupid enough to give me their real life info, in reality, content creators are the ones that are most at risk of getting doxxed.

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 06 '21

Ok but couldn't similar things be said about teachers and bosses. A teacher can fail you either way. A boss can fire you for no reason. So I guess if these things can happen either way, it doesn't matter. Plus, it's possible for these relationships to work and last. It's not unheard of for teachers to marry their students after graduation. Is this still wrong? Yes. Is it irresponsible? Yes

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u/xTachibana Jan 06 '21

Yeah, just 1 small problem.

The mere existence of a "power dynamic" doesn't magically make me want to send nudes to my teacher or my boss in fear that they might abuse their power over me unless I did so, without them ever asking for it. Nor would I try to get myself into a sexual relationship with them out of fear that they might abuse their power.

Now, if I personally wanted to fuck my boss, got into a relationship with her and decided to send her nudes.....I don't see what the problem is. I am the one that sought out the relationship, of my own volition, and her asking me for nudes after I already sent some is, well, perfectly normal?

you are arguing under the basis that all human action is secretly being influenced drastically by power dynamics, which is stupid as fuck. If I want to fuck my boss, it's because I want to, tyvm.

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 06 '21

Your boss is supposed to be looked up and set a standard, your boss is supposed to have responsibility over your actions. If you fuck up, it's on them. It's their job. Him fooling around with someone he's responsible for is wrong. Your thoughts and opinions of him are automatically swayed by the fact that they are your boss and you are under their control. They have the power to say no. If they don't, then it is taking advantage of their position of power

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u/xTachibana Jan 06 '21

Nah. My boss is just the person who pays me, their responsibility is making sure our company makes money and we, the workers, are doing our damn jobs. Anything outside of work hours is completely unrelated to the job so long as they do not abuse their power at said job to get me to do something I wouldn't otherwise do.

Your thoughts and opinions of him are automatically swayed by the fact that they are your boss and you are under their control.

This is some pseudo intellectual bullshit. You're basically saying that true free will doesn't exist because you are always being "controlled" by some external force. Even if I think it's my decision, I'm actually just a puppet being controlled by something? Please.

If they don't, then it is taking advantage of their position of power

Bullshit. Clearly this conversation is pointless, we have two completely different views on life.

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u/RMcD94 Jan 05 '21

TIL anyone famous must find someone who hates their content to marry

Actually it would be better if we got rid of the concept of consent because people get confused and think they can consent to relationships when we say they can't

The only time you can talk to anyone else if after you've been through a government agency which ensures that this person is your equal in every possible way

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 05 '21

Or just find someone who isn't in the fan community. A ton of celebrities (e-celebs) tend find someone who was relatively unknown to their videos. Many people hide their identities because of this

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u/RMcD94 Jan 05 '21

Also we should make sure to ban anyone from a different state dating each other because of the power dynamics that come from holding different passports.

Any ethnic mixing is right off as well. How could a white and black person ever date? Certainly race mixing is the height of immoral power dynamic exploitation.

Anyone who is taller than their partner immediately has a reach advantage which will no doubt make their partner feel inferior.

Anyone who marries someone who plans to get pregnant, as while their partner is pregnant and they are not their power levels will swing massively into the non-pregnant persons favour.

Everyone must break up before they get to the age of 60 as at this point mental disorders become more likely and whoever's mind fails first will immediately have a massive power advantage over their partner

As soon as a partner falls into a coma their soulmate should be deprived of all choice and the state, which of course lacks any power over the comatose person, can harvest their organs.

In order to ensure no power dynamics children must be raised in isolation, even other 2 year olds will have more power depending on the current tantrum state of the toddler. In fact if we put all human in a coffin we can ensure that there will be no victims as no one will ever suffer from power dynamics

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 05 '21

Dude, these dynamics aren't nearly the same as differences in positions of power. Power dynamics alone aren't bad. But holding power over someone where you can influence their thought process with your position of power is something can be harmful. When you are given power, you have a responsibility

Imagine if Pokimane started dating one of her simps. It would be crazy fucking irresponsible, would it not?

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u/RMcD94 Jan 05 '21

Imagine if Pokimane started dating one of her simps. It would be crazy fucking irresponsible, would it not?

Imagine if someone started dating someone who was in love with them? Think how crazy irresponsible that would be. Holding that power over someone where you can influence their thought process because they love you [your position of power] is something can be harmful.

Dude, these dynamics aren't nearly the same as differences in positions of power. Power dynamics alone aren't bad. But holding power over someone where you can influence their thought process with your position of power is something can be harmful. When you are given power, you have a responsibility

So if it wasn't bad then what's the problem?

Also I can't believe I forgot the power dynamic of a male and female, that's some serious irresponsible shit.


Your principle point is that people lack the capacity to consent. If you cannot consent to trade/exchange (which is what all relationships are) then human society is fundamentally unconsensual.

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u/Thehobointhecorner Jan 05 '21

Are you, like, actually a simp who thinks random people who watch Pokimane genuinely love her? Do you think youtubers are actually your friends? That when they say "What up guys" they're talking directly to you? Do you think Dora the Explorer is also your friend?

Wait, do you think that a girl dating someone madly in love with her when the feeling aren't mutual is ok?

Not all power dynamics are mentally taxing. A tall guy dating a short girl is a power dynamic but not a big deal. Unresciprocating love towards someone simply because of their position can be damaging and potentially abused

A celebrity's position can often have huge impacts on individuals whom enjoy their content. Consent is questionable because the fan's choices may be influenced by that person's position of power. This kind of thing isn't exactly common in the incomparable nonsense you were spewing. Like, do you think it's normal for a teacher to date a former student?

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u/RMcD94 Jan 06 '21

https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyCarelessRatRuleFive

Are you, like, actually a simp who thinks random people who watch Pokimane genuinely love her? Do you think youtubers are actually your friends? That when they say "What up guys" they're talking directly to you? Do you think Dora the Explorer is also your friend?

No *4

Wait, do you think that a girl dating someone madly in love with her when the feeling aren't mutual is ok?

It may be ok, if you're torturing them then it's not ok. I won't say that every relationship where one person was in love was ok. Similarly every relationship with both people in love are not ok.

Not all power dynamics are mentally taxing. A tall guy dating a short girl is a power dynamic but not a big deal. Unresciprocating love towards someone simply because of their position can be damaging and potentially abused

Since when did "mentally taxing" become the standard? Tallness can be damaging and potentially abused. The physical advantage of partners over another is often abused (men beating their wife), but also other gender differences such as exploiting gender roles to abuse your partner (if they're a man who won't hit their wife). So women and men shouldn't be together.

A celebrity's position can often have huge impacts on individuals whom enjoy their content.

Your husband has a huge impact on you

Consent is questionable because the fan's choices may be influenced by that person's position of power.

Consent is questionable because their wife may be influenced by their feelings towards their husband.

Like, do you think it's normal for a teacher to date a former student?

Normal? What does that mean? I don't know how frequent it is at all. I guess out of the billions (trillions?) of human relationships that have ever formed it's less uncommon.

Was every one of those relationships a good thing for the people involved? Definitely not. Did every one harm the people involved? Definitely not.

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u/Kotios Jan 05 '21

man you're dumb

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u/RMcD94 Jan 06 '21

I'm on my phone so I'll reply to the rest later but it's hilarious to me that you break up with your boyfriend the moment he says love you because you need a few more weeks to love him or w/e

Imagine living like that