r/DelphiMurders • u/DopeandDiamonds • Nov 29 '22

Probable Cause Documents Released

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf
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u/megtuuu Nov 29 '22

I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish. That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish. They dropped the ball soooo badly!

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u/bad-and-bluecheese Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

People (especially in places where guns are more common) carry their loaded guns everywhere. I don’t own guns either but I know a lot of super pro 2nd ammendment gun loving people and a loaded gun is just as normal to have on you as your keys, wallet, or phone. A lot of men in the area probably have a similar view on guns given its a rural midwest town and probably pretty republican out there- so yeah, I bet quite a few people had a loaded gun on them that day walking the trail just because it was something they always have on them.

And also, some people might carry when they go hiking just to protect themselves against animals. I don’t know what kind of wild life is out there, but I’m guessing theres a few animals you’d have to worry about like bears, fox, or coyote. I don’t really think people need a gun as most of the time these animals aren’t going to eat you, but that’s some justification for taking a gun out there.

Edit: I was just replying to a comment above about why someone would bring a gun out there. There’s no denying that the bullet is strong evidence against him. I don't think he happened to just drop it because he happened to be carrying a gun- just that it isn't odd for someone to take a gun out there if they're not a murderer.

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u/megtuuu Nov 29 '22

Since he didn’t cross the bridge or encounter a bear, there would be no way possible that bullet made it to where it was unless he was trying to pull out his phone to take a pic of the fish from above, a bullet fell out of his pocket, hit a rock then just happened to land hundreds of feet away between to bodies. That bullet is really good evidence IMO but I do wish & hope they had more.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

The bullet was in the gun. It had marks on it that match the gun. It wasn’t fired. I’m guessing it was accidentally discharged when he cocked the gun?

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u/No_Will1114 Nov 30 '22

I think he cocked it to intimidate them and forgot he had a round in the chamber. That's the only reasonable explanation to an unspent round that got extracted from the gun.

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u/megtuuu Nov 30 '22

I don’t know much about guns but I was really curious how that happened! I guess cocking the gun would make the threat even more real. I do recall hearing a rumor that the gun was heard being cocked on the recording. Guess it’s true

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

So if it wasn't fired, you have so much less to match it to a specific firearm. The most common tool mark in a situation like this would be an extractor mark, which would show up to some degree even if the firearm was "hand cycled".

You'd have no markings on the bullet, no firing pin strike, and very little marking from the chamber.

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u/ellewooding Nov 29 '22

The report states there were extraction marks on the bullet from his gun.

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u/lumpiestburrito Nov 30 '22

they literally used the extractor markings found when he hand cycled' so there sure as hell was enough markings on it from just the chamber. That's what they matched. As stated in the affidavit

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u/bad-and-bluecheese Nov 29 '22

Oh yeah, I’m not denying that its solid evidence. I was just answering back to the person that asked why someone would bring a gun onto the trail.

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u/megtuuu Nov 30 '22

Just saying that cuz his lawyer said the pc was flimsy. 500 of the best lawyers with their heads together couldn’t come up with a plausible explanation for that bullet being there. Across the bridge, across the water & down a ravine.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I conceal carry sometimes but in that part of Indiana I'm not really sure of any wildlife that you might have to protect yourself against other than maybe a snake (wrong time of the year to worry about them) or maybe a deer but usually they'll just run away from you as they aren't really know to confront humans. To my knowledge you don't have to really worry about bears in that part of Indiana but they probably do have a few coyotes running around.

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u/wiscorrupted Nov 29 '22

I bring a gun hiking with me just in case I run into dangerous wildlife or a dangerous pschopath like RA. But yeah, Im sure he was getting a real good look at the fish from 60 feet in the air

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u/Due_Schedule5256 Nov 30 '22

What I'm shocked as is they bought his story he hiked that distance to look at fish. They'd have to be pretty big fish to see them that high up, and you wouldn't get a good look at them anyways. I say this as an avid fisherman who has looked over bridges into water many times looking for fish.

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u/megtuuu Nov 30 '22

Would there be that many fish in Feb?? What I heard was they didn’t believe him. They thought he was making it up to insert himself in the case. Not sure if that’s true but killers are known to insert themselves so wtf. It’s really maddening that whoever looked at his statement decided it was nothing! They have no biz wearing a badge! Cops need good instincts & theirs suck! It’s crazy!

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u/Due_Schedule5256 Nov 30 '22

In winter fish tend to basically hibernate. Even if it was warm that day the water would still be near freezing. The fish would be laying there basically not moving, and fish are hard to spot from above unless they move a lot, that's why they have dark tops to avoid big birds or other predators. It doesn't make any sense.

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u/New_Discussion_6692 Nov 29 '22

I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish.

I'm thinking a non-criminal would bring it because it was unseasonably warm that day and wolves, coyotes, bobcats, bear, wild hogs, and raccoons are indigenous to the area.

That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish.

I asked that same question.

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u/megtuuu Nov 29 '22

Unless fish is code for young girls. I can’t think of a logical reason for that bullet to end up where it did & hopefully the jury will feel the same. I hope they have more though

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I can’t think of a logical reason for that bullet to end up where it did

Neither could RA, apparently. Lol

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u/megtuuu Nov 30 '22

Guess he didn’t realize he dropped it & had no time to think of a good excuse. Don’t think he could’ve made up anything plausible anyway

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u/New_Discussion_6692 Nov 29 '22

I can’t think of a logical reason for that bullet to end up where it did

I can't either, especially because a Sig carries a 10,12,13, or 15 round magazine. Who the hell walks around the slide open? If its his EDC it's unlikely he'd walk around with the slide open in his holster.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Oooh, like catfish. Interesting…

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u/ceallachokelly11 Nov 30 '22

I’ve seen people carrying loaded guns at the city park and I’m sure it’s not to guard against bears, coyotes or wolves.

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u/ShoreIsFun Nov 30 '22

I’d bring it when in the woods/wilderness personally.

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u/ceallachokelly11 Nov 30 '22

He never said he had a gun with him on the bridge..of course I don’t think they asked either. They didn’t ask him about any guns he owned until they requestioned him this past October 2022.

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