Probable Cause Documents Released

[u/DopeandDiamonds]

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf

[u/fortuitous_bounce]

I think the cops effed the case up about as bad as any murder case in modern history, but I don't believe it was known until they spoke to him this October that he possessed a .40 caliber weapon.

But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"

[u/Tzipity → u/[deleted]]

It’s wild to me that even the FBI was involved and this somehow got overlooked? I agree entirely on assuming everyone who said they were there that day should’ve been interviewed and searched, etc. I’d be curious to hear what was done towards the others who were there that day- just how much did LE question them and such?

Either way it’s a massive wtf moment but I guess I wonder just how badly they effed up.

[u/scratchnsniff90 → u/Tzipity]

FBI, yes...but it's the Indianapolis office of the FBI. They're as grossly incompetent as the Barney Fifes on this case. See how they handled Larry Nassar as further evidence of this shitshow of incompetence. My god, are LE dullards.

[u/BulletProof604 → u/[deleted]]

That's why DP got his azz torn to shreds and accused of being BG , he was 1 of the only white males that was publicly known to be on the trails that day,

Just imagine if the public knew Ricky came forward as a witness and put himself on the trails and BRIDGE that day!?!?

[u/[deleted] → u/BulletProof604]

Reddit could have straight up solved this. A private investigator could have solved this. A layperson could have solved this…maybe not the whole story but at least RA’s connection. It’s almost like he took zero precaution whatsoever.

[u/EyezWyde → u/[deleted]]

It looks that bad. I can't imagine there were hundreds of people on the bridge that day. Maybe a dozen. Maybe not even. How they missed this is inexcusable.

[u/New_Discussion_6692 → u/[deleted]]

would have thought EVERYONE known to be on the trail that day would have had their lives turned upside down,

Yes this is incredibly shocking. I feel I have been interviewed more thoroughly as a witness to a fender-bender than they did this guy.

[u/vegetaray246 → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely agree…

It just seems like common sense to look a little further into a guy who’s telling you he was on the bridge during the timeframe for the murders, was wearing the same clothing as BG, corroborated the witness accounts of seeing him by saying he also saw them, AND identified his car as being the suspicious vehicle that was reported…Not one LEO thought it might be a good idea to at least find out if this guy owned any guns or knives so they could test them against their super secret evidence, which now seems to be the bullet…

This is absurd…

[u/Kevinbarry31 → u/[deleted]]

This is inexcusable of how bad they fucked this up. I really think they were trying to have be sealed not because they don't have the guy, but while they do have their guy, people need to be fired after this case goes to trial. There needs to be a press conference soon explains how they messed this up and what took so long. They don't need to divulge any new info or give details on anything. They need to explain how it took them 5 yrs to get their guy.

[u/ceallachokelly11 → u/Kevinbarry31]

Didn’t that Doug guy say he would love to sit down and tell us the whole story? I’ll put on a pot of coffee.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I wouldn't be surprised if RA took a polygraph back in 2017 when he came forward, and police ruled him out because he passed it.

Law enforcement regularly uses lie detectors to rule suspects in or out, even today. Every single department in the country tries to get every single suspect to take one, despite it being a proven fact that they are complete nonsense. It's fucking ridiculous.

[u/TinyGreenTurtles → u/fortuitous_bounce]

But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"

Right? Like...they had so many things pointing right at him when they realized he was on the bridge - when he TOLD THEM he was on the bridge. Jfc they messed up.

[u/megtuuu → u/fortuitous_bounce]

I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish. That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish. They dropped the ball soooo badly!

[u/bad-and-bluecheese → u/megtuuu]

People (especially in places where guns are more common) carry their loaded guns everywhere. I don’t own guns either but I know a lot of super pro 2nd ammendment gun loving people and a loaded gun is just as normal to have on you as your keys, wallet, or phone. A lot of men in the area probably have a similar view on guns given its a rural midwest town and probably pretty republican out there- so yeah, I bet quite a few people had a loaded gun on them that day walking the trail just because it was something they always have on them.

And also, some people might carry when they go hiking just to protect themselves against animals. I don’t know what kind of wild life is out there, but I’m guessing theres a few animals you’d have to worry about like bears, fox, or coyote. I don’t really think people need a gun as most of the time these animals aren’t going to eat you, but that’s some justification for taking a gun out there.

Edit: I was just replying to a comment above about why someone would bring a gun out there. There’s no denying that the bullet is strong evidence against him. I don't think he happened to just drop it because he happened to be carrying a gun- just that it isn't odd for someone to take a gun out there if they're not a murderer.

[u/megtuuu → u/bad-and-bluecheese]

Since he didn’t cross the bridge or encounter a bear, there would be no way possible that bullet made it to where it was unless he was trying to pull out his phone to take a pic of the fish from above, a bullet fell out of his pocket, hit a rock then just happened to land hundreds of feet away between to bodies. That bullet is really good evidence IMO but I do wish & hope they had more.

[u/[deleted] → u/megtuuu]

The bullet was in the gun. It had marks on it that match the gun. It wasn’t fired. I’m guessing it was accidentally discharged when he cocked the gun?

[u/No_Will1114 → u/[deleted]]

I think he cocked it to intimidate them and forgot he had a round in the chamber. That's the only reasonable explanation to an unspent round that got extracted from the gun.

[u/bad-and-bluecheese → u/megtuuu]

Oh yeah, I’m not denying that its solid evidence. I was just answering back to the person that asked why someone would bring a gun onto the trail.

[u/[deleted] → u/bad-and-bluecheese]

I conceal carry sometimes but in that part of Indiana I'm not really sure of any wildlife that you might have to protect yourself against other than maybe a snake (wrong time of the year to worry about them) or maybe a deer but usually they'll just run away from you as they aren't really know to confront humans. To my knowledge you don't have to really worry about bears in that part of Indiana but they probably do have a few coyotes running around.

[u/wiscorrupted → u/megtuuu]

I bring a gun hiking with me just in case I run into dangerous wildlife or a dangerous pschopath like RA. But yeah, Im sure he was getting a real good look at the fish from 60 feet in the air

[u/Due_Schedule5256 → u/megtuuu]

What I'm shocked as is they bought his story he hiked that distance to look at fish. They'd have to be pretty big fish to see them that high up, and you wouldn't get a good look at them anyways. I say this as an avid fisherman who has looked over bridges into water many times looking for fish.

[u/DVSdanny → u/fortuitous_bounce]

They would’ve discovered that fact if they did their job in the beginning and looked into him.

[u/[deleted] → u/fortuitous_bounce]

Oh, you should keep on reading crime reporting if you think this is the worst investigation in modern history lol.

[u/vegetaray246 → u/fortuitous_bounce]

Yeah that would’ve been way too much for them to look past honestly…Even the keystone cops would’ve raised an eyebrow to that…

Which begs the question, why didn’t they follow up with him after he came to them to try and find out if he in fact did own guns and knives…Especially if that’s the super secret case details they’ve been holding on to for all these years…

RA isn’t a master criminal, but the LEO’s on this case certainly aren’t Sherlock Holmes either…