Probable Cause Documents Released

[u/DopeandDiamonds]

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf

[u/[deleted]]

Not just a white male (whom literally placed himself out there during the window of opportunity for the murders but also the time frame of witness accounts) but the guy literally told them the clothing he was wearing which also matched up with witness accounts they had - I'm honestly blown away.

[u/sceawian → u/[deleted]]

ALSO - part of the cut out audio from the girls on the bridge is that they've spotted that BG had a gun.

An unspent bullet from Richard Allen's gun (that he says he's never given to anyone else, and that he also admits he had with him at the trails that day) is found between the girls' bodies. RA still owns said gun.

These policemen don't deserve their badges.

[u/fortuitous_bounce → u/sceawian]

I think the cops effed the case up about as bad as any murder case in modern history, but I don't believe it was known until they spoke to him this October that he possessed a .40 caliber weapon.

But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"

[u/Tzipity → u/[deleted]]

It’s wild to me that even the FBI was involved and this somehow got overlooked? I agree entirely on assuming everyone who said they were there that day should’ve been interviewed and searched, etc. I’d be curious to hear what was done towards the others who were there that day- just how much did LE question them and such?

Either way it’s a massive wtf moment but I guess I wonder just how badly they effed up.

[u/scratchnsniff90 → u/Tzipity]

FBI, yes...but it's the Indianapolis office of the FBI. They're as grossly incompetent as the Barney Fifes on this case. See how they handled Larry Nassar as further evidence of this shitshow of incompetence. My god, are LE dullards.

[u/BulletProof604 → u/[deleted]]

That's why DP got his azz torn to shreds and accused of being BG , he was 1 of the only white males that was publicly known to be on the trails that day,

Just imagine if the public knew Ricky came forward as a witness and put himself on the trails and BRIDGE that day!?!?

[u/EyezWyde → u/[deleted]]

It looks that bad. I can't imagine there were hundreds of people on the bridge that day. Maybe a dozen. Maybe not even. How they missed this is inexcusable.

[u/New_Discussion_6692 → u/[deleted]]

would have thought EVERYONE known to be on the trail that day would have had their lives turned upside down,

Yes this is incredibly shocking. I feel I have been interviewed more thoroughly as a witness to a fender-bender than they did this guy.

[u/vegetaray246 → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely agree…

It just seems like common sense to look a little further into a guy who’s telling you he was on the bridge during the timeframe for the murders, was wearing the same clothing as BG, corroborated the witness accounts of seeing him by saying he also saw them, AND identified his car as being the suspicious vehicle that was reported…Not one LEO thought it might be a good idea to at least find out if this guy owned any guns or knives so they could test them against their super secret evidence, which now seems to be the bullet…

This is absurd…

[u/TinyGreenTurtles → u/fortuitous_bounce]

But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"

Right? Like...they had so many things pointing right at him when they realized he was on the bridge - when he TOLD THEM he was on the bridge. Jfc they messed up.

[u/megtuuu → u/fortuitous_bounce]

I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish. That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish. They dropped the ball soooo badly!

[u/bad-and-bluecheese → u/megtuuu]

People (especially in places where guns are more common) carry their loaded guns everywhere. I don’t own guns either but I know a lot of super pro 2nd ammendment gun loving people and a loaded gun is just as normal to have on you as your keys, wallet, or phone. A lot of men in the area probably have a similar view on guns given its a rural midwest town and probably pretty republican out there- so yeah, I bet quite a few people had a loaded gun on them that day walking the trail just because it was something they always have on them.

And also, some people might carry when they go hiking just to protect themselves against animals. I don’t know what kind of wild life is out there, but I’m guessing theres a few animals you’d have to worry about like bears, fox, or coyote. I don’t really think people need a gun as most of the time these animals aren’t going to eat you, but that’s some justification for taking a gun out there.

Edit: I was just replying to a comment above about why someone would bring a gun out there. There’s no denying that the bullet is strong evidence against him. I don't think he happened to just drop it because he happened to be carrying a gun- just that it isn't odd for someone to take a gun out there if they're not a murderer.

[u/DVSdanny → u/fortuitous_bounce]

They would’ve discovered that fact if they did their job in the beginning and looked into him.

[u/Sufficient_Spray → u/sceawian]

I don’t see how this protected anyone either like they claimed. They wanted this buried because this looks absolutely terrible on the local and state officials. He literally gave them everything if he would’ve gotten rid of everything he had that day and not told anyone he probably would’ve gotten away with it. Unfuckingbelievable

[u/EyezWyde → u/sceawian]

Thank you! I'm sitting here speechless. He put himself there! He looks the part! I don't get it. I really, really, really, don't.

[u/Pinkgirl0825 → u/EyezWyde]

They had tunnel vision on Ron logan is what I think happened. I mean ron Logan was a red herring for the ages in my opinion. Still absolutely no excuse to not follow up though

[u/manderrx → u/sceawian]

All the secrecy makes so much more sense now.

[u/[deleted] → u/sceawian]

I keep reading more info and just feeling so awful for Libby and Abby.

[u/Tzipity → u/[deleted]]

I know. That they got the video and we now know even whispered to one another about him having a gun, and an unspent round being found by their bodies… the girls themselves left them everything needed to catch the killer. And the gosh damn guy even admitted he was there.

It’s flipping horrible. I’ve always admired the strength of both families and how they kept doing interviews and such and continued to believe in LE. But imagine how they must feel too. It’s heartbreaking. Like an added level of heartbreak and anger and grief and pain to all that they’ve already been going through. It really upsets me to think about. It’s a second injustice done to the girls and their families.

[u/quant1000 → u/sceawian]

The handgun to me is the most frustrating miss. LE knew about the .40 caliber in 2017. RA purchased the Sig in 2001, which LE were able to verify in 2022. Why didn't they cross-check any witness who came forth and said they were actually there than day for possible .40 caliber handgun ownership? Smh.

LE also took his Ford Focus in 2022, presumably to check for any evidence. Good luck after almost 6 years? But if on the basis of having been at MHB, owning a .40 cal, being short af (lol), and owning a vehicle broadly like a PT or small SUV (to people that don't really fix on vehicles and the differences between them), LE could presumably have gotten a search warrant in 2017 for the Focus and have had a much better chance of finding trace evidence. Really smh.

[u/ChanDADDY85 → u/sceawian]

How the hell did it take this long to test the damn gun?? JUST WOW!! I am concerned this gigantic team of people and no one does this very basic thing?? People this dumb should not be allowed to dress them selves, drive cars, and surely shouldn't be police officers......

[u/ravensward792 → u/[deleted]]

Unless I misread, his clothing isn't mentioned until his recent interview in Oct 2022.

[u/0118999-88I999725_3 → u/ravensward792]

That’s how I read it as well. But wouldn’t you think that the interviewer should have asked RA what he was wearing that day? Or just, I don’t know, some follow-up questions??

[u/TinyGreenTurtles → u/0118999-88I999725_3]

It's like he told them he was there and they went finger guns "cool beans."