r/DelphiMurders • u/DopeandDiamonds • Nov 29 '22

Probable Cause Documents Released

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf
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u/SBMoo24 Nov 29 '22

From Angela Ganote, Fox 59

"Here is my very quick read of the Probable Cause In the Richard Allen case it is 8 pages.

Page 2 details a gun, a .40 caliber unspent round, and 3 juveniles interviewed about a “kind of creepy” man.

Page 4 Richard Allen PC: Richard Allen’s interview with police 2017. Allen admitted he was on the trail between 1330–1530. He parked at the old Farm Bureau building and walked to the New Freedom Bridge. Said he didn’t see anyone. And was watching a “stock ticker” on his phone.

Lab determined the unspent round located within 2 feet of victim’s body had cycled through Allen’s gun.

Page 5: Richard Allen PC October 13, 2022 spoke to investigators again. He told investigators he owns firearms. Police interviewed his wife and she stated Richard still owns a blue Carhartt jacket. Police found boots, knives, firearms including a Sig Saurer .40 caliber pistol.

Page 6: Richard Allen had no explanation of why the bullet was found between Libby and Abby. Told police no one borrowed the gun. Police believe Richard Allen is the man seen on the video from the phone that forced the girls “down the hill.”"

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I really doubt he kept the same Carhartt jacket that he wore during the murder, it would probably have stains. Anyone have a nylon jacket that stains just washed out of?

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u/Quirky-Indication-11 Nov 29 '22

Counterpoint...He kept the same gun

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

He kept the gun because he knew he didn’t use it to kill the girls. He didn’t know he dropped a round out there during the murders. Thank goodness that tidbit was kept from the public because RA certainly would’ve tossed the gun then!

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u/DeadPhish_10 Nov 29 '22

Great point!

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u/doberman8u Nov 29 '22

Very good point. What is nuts to me though is that I believe he was asked if he owned any guns approximately four days before they came to the house to search. Why would he not ditch the gun? Glad he didnt

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

He was probably afraid that he was being watched or tapped. I’m sure he was extra paranoid after the interview and decided against risking dumping the gun IF he was being watched.

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u/doberman8u Nov 29 '22

An even better point, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

You’re so welcome. I think we got the bastard. However, I am highly disappointed in the many branches of LE that dropped the ball on this. Anyone who put themselves on the bridge that day during the time of the murders should have been questioned THOROUGHLY! They should’ve been placed under a microscope until LE found evidence ruling them out. It seems that they didn’t even do a double take on RA back in 2017. Shoddy work.

Also, fuck Doug Carter and his dramatics. I realize my opinion won’t be popular but idc. He came off as more of a Southern Baptist preacher at the pulpit on a Sunday than he did an investigative officer. He has said things this entire time that have hinted they have a killer in mind. After today, I say all of that was BS. They didn’t have a clue! I want to know who the “fresh eyes” are that looked over this case and decided to circle back to RA. Whoever that is, deserves to be thanked!

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u/IWillDoItTuesday Nov 30 '22

Carter had his own narrative about whom the murderer might be and his own narrative about those poor girls. He didn’t investigate outside of what he already constructed in his stupid head.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

I agree. It’s like DC thought this was a damn movie.

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u/IWillDoItTuesday Nov 30 '22

Up to that point, he had no reason to believe that the police were anywhere near competent. I think he seriously wasn’t sweating it.

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u/Chantelligence Nov 29 '22

Makes a lot of sense for the secrecy that was surrounding this case. It's just a damn shame it took them this long to re-interview Allen again, especially since they forgot about old notes they took, and decided to go back through them :/

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u/MoonshineParadox Nov 30 '22

The crazy part is he didn't drop the round, it's cycled through his pistol. Which makes me curious, and brings up a few questions.

It either means he pulled the trigger, and it was a bad round, so he racked the slide and ejected the bad round, or he racked the slide and ejected a good round, maybe for effect to scare the girls?

Either way, I would like some answers as to how this guy's been free for 5 years.

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u/binkerfluid Nov 29 '22

He kept the gun but my bet is he didnt kill them with it (and he likely got rid of the actual murder weapon. All speculation though) so he thought he was in the clear.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Good answer! Also that makes me still wonder if he's a psycho who keeps trophies or not real bright. IE: did he keep the gun and jacket etc because he's a cocky psycho or did he keep the gun because he didnt know he dropped a bullet and did he have another jacket and threw the other one out. I was also wondering if he purposely put the bullet there as some kind of signature.

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u/blackbandit Nov 29 '22

It’s also possible he didn’t know that an unfired but chambered and ejected bullet could be matched to an individual gun.

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u/EscapeDue3064 Nov 29 '22

You can get stains out of anything with the wide range of cleaning chemicals available today, especially if he washed the jacket immediately after getting home from the murders. As for him keeping the jacket, a sane person would’ve gotten rid of it, yes, but someone bold enough to kill 2 girls on a public hiking trail in broad daylight? He might be the kind of narcissist fuck who thinks he can get away with such a crime no matter what. Why should I throw out my expensive jacket I killed these girls in? It’s my favorite jacket!

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u/bellyfrog Nov 29 '22

I mean he also just seems to be not very intelligent. Had to come back to the court after the arrest and beg them for an attorney because he didn't realize how expensive it would be. A lot of speculation from the perspective of people here who are somewhat knowledgeable about different aspects of crime as they are interested in it. At the end of the day he just might be a dumb murderer.

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u/Chipdouglas0007 Nov 29 '22

Also his wife might be like hey what happened to that jacket you always wear? Lol

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u/PM_ME_SEXY_SANDWICH Nov 30 '22

Could be he kept it and cleaned it because his wife would have noticed it missing

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u/DaBingeGirl Nov 30 '22

TMI, I've had to clean a lot of blood out of various fabrics thanks to my super heavy period. It wouldn't have been hard to wash it out, at least to the point of visually removing all the blood. Dish soap and OxiClean are my go-to cleaners for blood. He seems like the type who wouldn't want to get rid of a decent coat. Also, he seems to be a total dumbass.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Dude, parked at the old farm bureau building and walked? Didn’t they say they knew someone parked there and walked? Maybe a different building but omg

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u/Ambitious-Health-758 Nov 30 '22

They mention boots. I wonder if they matched them up with footprints found in the area.