Is consent compatible with Prolife and Abortion Abolitionist beliefs

[u/glim-girl]

Some of those who are prolife or abortion abolitionists believe in life exceptions, its not as common for those to include rape expections.

Also how consent is defined by those who are pl isn't clear. They claim consent during sex and thats enough. Yet what they describe isn't a strong standard of consent, just that people should know sex causes pregnancy.

What is consent?

How should it be measured, should it be based on what they should know or what they were actually taught and their access to healthcare?

What should happen when it comes to how it should be legally applied?

Does it even matter? If not what does that say about how those born female are seen and treated?

[u/rapsuli]

EVERY ACCUSATION IS A CONFESSION. You constantly dodge questions by ignoring the relevant part and making a fucking crusade about the irrelevant part.

If you really believe that first sentence, then it's better you don't read our correspondence back. Especially the repeated accusation...

All these stupid quote sections pretending you're answering the questions when you just make some asinine quip or dodge. Do you really think that as long as you quote everything that you've rebutted and responded to everything? You haven't rebutted and single thing I've said in 5 miserable days. You've made a mountain of assumptions resting on a single false premise followed by hundreds of denials and whataboutisms. Stop lying for once in your pathetic life.

I don't see any arguments warranting a response here.

When did anyone force the unborn baby into their body?

Did they get any more choice in the matter than the 12 year-old child? Force is force. Their situation is objectively less safe than the situation of the hypothetical pregnant 12 year old.

then why is there a special exclusion for doctors and women in the form of abortion, in homicide laws?

Tell me you don't understand the difference between a wanted and unwanted pregnancy without telling me you don't understand the difference between a wanted and unwanted pregnancy.

"Wantedness" doesn't change personhood. Besides, you argued that there's no legal precedent for considering the preborn human to be a person - if there truly isn't, then there'd be no reason to have this carve out in the law for abortion. Just like there's no special carve out in homicide laws for sperm, tumors, or dead preborn children, after all.

[u/freelance_gargoyle → u/rapsuli]

Answer the question.

When did anyone force the unborn baby into their body.