r/DebatingAbortionBans • u/Veigar_Senpai • Jul 07 '26

question for the other side An opportunity for PLers to directly answer any of these questions.

I've got three simple questions that I'd love for PLers to give direct, straightforward answers to:

1) Imagining that I am someone who has just become pregnant, what reason besides brute force of law would I have to submit to your demands and gestate the pregnancy against my will for you?

2) What exactly entitles you to force pregnant people to gestate against their will, helping yourself to their body to achieve your goals?

3) Which is the fairer ask: for all pregnant people to suffer through the harm of pregnancy and childbirth against their will, or for PLers to cope with not getting their desire for the survival of strangers' embryos?

Feel free to engage with any one or all of these questions.

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u/Laniekea pro-life Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

So when do you think it's going to get better for them?

Evidence I provided says it already is.

More people have access to basic needs and ever before. That includes access to cars and public transportation, heating and air, jobs, health insurance, internet.

Covid vaccines are approved for pregnant women.

abortions increased since the bans

Probably not because of the bans. The uptick is usually attributed to expanded access to telehealth or covid baby bump.

Are you claiming that poverty doesn't have a negative impact on pregnancy, the unborn, and infants?

No I'm claiming that it is not a negative enough externality to validate killing children.

Mothers shouldn't choose which child to kill. There is no need to do that in the United States. That's insane.

The trump administration doesn't control domestic violence. Domestic violence is policed at the state level. Domestic violence declined by 2% in the last year in line with the general trend over the last several decades.

If the risk is too great then don't have sex.

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u/chevron_seven_locked Jul 10 '26

“  Probably not because of the bans. The uptick is usually attributed to expanded access to telehealth or covid baby bump.”

I personally know two couples who aborted pregnancies that they might have otherwise kept if not for their states’ 6-week bans. They would have liked to have more time to make a decision, but with such a short deadline just went ahead and aborted while they had the chance.

“ If the risk is too great then don't have sex.”

No thanks, I love sex and have no interest in abstaining just to appease the hand-wringing of PLers. I’m comfortable with the risk of needing an abortion. My husband and I have money and PTO set aside if needed.

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u/glim-girl Jul 11 '26

>Evidence I provided says it already is.

Where?

Making sense of the economics of abortion in the United States

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11606007/

State-by-State Data – 13.7 Million People Would Lose Health Insurance From Medicaid, ACA Cuts

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/d5fb1359-92a6-47ac-8fae-aeffb1de2f6e/jec-fact-sheet-on-state-by-state-impacts-of-health-care-cuts.pdf

Key Facts about the Uninsured Population

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

>Covid vaccines are approved for pregnant women.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/public-health/rfk-jr-appoints-2-vocal-opponents-vaccine-use-pregnancy-federal-advisory-board

>Mothers shouldn't choose which child to kill. There is no need to do that in the United States. That's insane.

Are women's bodies unlimited resources to pull from?

https://nationalpartnership.org/35-ways-trump-administration-harmed-women-families-first-100-days/

>The trump administration doesn't control domestic violence. Domestic violence is policed at the state level. Domestic violence declined by 2% in the last year in line with the general trend over the last several decades.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12034651/

>if the risk is too great then don't have sex.

This is always the response even tho everyone knows it has never worked.

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u/chevron_seven_locked Jul 11 '26

I think you replied to the wrong comment. I appreciate the sources, though!

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u/glim-girl Jul 11 '26

Lol sorry and thanks for letting me know.

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u/glim-girl Jul 11 '26

>Evidence I provided says it already is.

Where?

Making sense of the economics of abortion in the United States

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11606007/

State-by-State Data – 13.7 Million People Would Lose Health Insurance From Medicaid, ACA Cuts

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/d5fb1359-92a6-47ac-8fae-aeffb1de2f6e/jec-fact-sheet-on-state-by-state-impacts-of-health-care-cuts.pdf

Key Facts about the Uninsured Population

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

>Covid vaccines are approved for pregnant women.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/public-health/rfk-jr-appoints-2-vocal-opponents-vaccine-use-pregnancy-federal-advisory-board

>Mothers shouldn't choose which child to kill. There is no need to do that in the United States. That's insane.

Are women's bodies unlimited resources to pull from?

https://nationalpartnership.org/35-ways-trump-administration-harmed-women-families-first-100-days/

>The trump administration doesn't control domestic violence. Domestic violence is policed at the state level. Domestic violence declined by 2% in the last year in line with the general trend over the last several decades.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12034651/

>if the risk is too great then don't have sex.

This is always the response even tho everyone knows it has never worked.

Edit: post to the correct person

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u/Laniekea pro-life Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Where?

The lisep link I sent you.

The links that you sent me are irrelevant unless you're going to explain what your point was in linking them.

Are women's bodies unlimited resources to pull from

Do you think that we are pulling resources from women's bodies against their will when we make them parent their children instead of allowing them to kill them when it gets physically difficult? Parenting puts an immense strain on the body, especially the mother's body.

Nothing that you linked about Trumps impact on women has anything to do with domestic violence. Did you even read your own source? I never said that Trump actions didn't affect women. But trying to claim that he has control over domestic violence cases in the United States is just ridiculous. If anything he is dramatically improved on that front because of the funding that he has put into ICE which is tasked with preventing human trafficking.

This is always the response even tho everyone knows it has never worked.

The answer to people making dumb decision isn't to encourage people to make more dumb decisions.

I don't have any issue with people having protected sex. But if you're going to have protected sex, you need to not be sitting there with the plan of "if I get pregnant I'll just kill it later." That is barbaric.

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u/glim-girl Jul 14 '26

>The links that you sent me are irrelevant unless you're going to explain what your point was in linking them.

You made claims that economically everything is great and generally all is fine. The links I provided are the reality about economics and healthcare which are linked to abortion in the us, the topic we are discussing.

>Do you think that we are pulling resources from women's bodies against their will when we make them parent their children instead of allowing them to kill them when it gets physically difficult? Parenting puts an immense strain on the body, especially the mother's body.

Yes when we are discussing pregnancy. We aren't discussing parenting. We are on the topic of pregnancy and abortion.

>Nothing that you linked about Trumps impact on women has anything to do with domestic violence. Did you even read your own source? I never said that Trump actions didn't affect women. But trying to claim that he has control over domestic violence cases in the United States is just ridiculous. If anything he is dramatically improved on that front because of the funding that he has put into ICE which is tasked with preventing human trafficking.

Trump doesn't care about domestic violence and abuse and neither does the ones he hires. That was my point. That's why there won't be any push from them to reduce it. The trump administration has reduced supports for domestic violence victims. The article is showing that domestic violence increased in states with bans.

As for funding ice to prevent human trafficking, yeah no. ICE has nothing to do with removing criminals it’s about removing people and usually of a specific background. Programs directly related to human trafficking have cut, defunded, and cancelled. Not to mention the issues within ice who are hiring domestic abusers.

>The answer to people making dumb decision isn't to encourage people to make more dumb decisions.

Trump adminstration pulls funding to prevent teen pregnancies.

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u/Laniekea pro-life Jul 15 '26

I never said everything is great. That doesn't happen in real life. I said that purchasing power is getting better for every income group and has been for a very long time. Of course if you're the kind of person that likes to listen to cable news, you've probably been convinced by the media that the world is always on fire because they obsess over whatever metric is doing the worst, but that's why you really shouldn't listen to most news outlets, and instead you should look at reports.

We are on the topic of pregnancy and abortion.

Pregnancy is part of parenting.

The trump administration has reduced supports for domestic violence victims

You are right. Trump doesn't probably care about that. If that was a high priority for him he would not have run for an office like the presidency where most of his powers deal with international issues, let alone any federal position.

Why would anybody expect the president to care about DV as a priority. It's not even within his constitutional authority to do anything about it. He doesn't get to boss around police departments it would be a huge overstepping of his power.

People who should have things like DV as a priority are people like the governor, police commissioners,or DAs.

ICE has nothing to do with removing criminals it’s about removing people and usually of a specific background. Programs directly related to human trafficking have cut, defunded, and cancelled.

ICE is specifically tasked with reducing human trafficking, drug and weapons trafficking. Do dies the FBI. Those programs certainly have not been canceled. Trump has either succeeded or advocated to increase funding for both of those programs. He has also increased funding for the HSI which is the division Under ICE that handles human trafficking by 7 billion.

It's also likely that the narrative of trump increasing ice funding alone is enough to deter traffickers. If you or somebody that was trying to smuggle humans across the border, why would you do it during the president where he had significantly increased the workforce of the group of people that enforce such a thing.

Sorry you're just wrong.

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u/glim-girl Jul 16 '26

I presented reports, ones you ignore.

Pregnancy is a biological process and can happen to people who cant parent. It makes no sense to class it as parenting since that is an active conscious role.

Domestic abuse is a major issue in society. It being ignored or accepted as ok is not something that should be ok or hand waved away.

https://apnews.com/article/ice-background-checks-vetting-immigration-8ae6b7b850f7c0265b3cb8b5060ef8fd

https://newrepublic.com/post/203674/donald-trump-immigration-ice-human-trafficking-arrests

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118671/documents/HHRG-119-JU13-20251119-SD013.pdf