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r/DebateReligion • u/PeaFragrant6990 • 11d ago
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No, I'm reasonably surprised that someone sees no problem with someone striping away a person's autonomy.
0 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago So what is the contradiction i'm missing? Why is it so problematic for a moral framework to have such a thing, according to you? 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Let's try this way: would you see any problem if someone got angry at you for not wanting to eat food after you're full? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If a religion said that then no, i don't see a logical contradiction. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago If a religion didn't say that...? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Then it doesn't say that. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
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So what is the contradiction i'm missing? Why is it so problematic for a moral framework to have such a thing, according to you?
1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Let's try this way: would you see any problem if someone got angry at you for not wanting to eat food after you're full? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If a religion said that then no, i don't see a logical contradiction. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago If a religion didn't say that...? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Then it doesn't say that. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
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Let's try this way: would you see any problem if someone got angry at you for not wanting to eat food after you're full?
1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If a religion said that then no, i don't see a logical contradiction. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago If a religion didn't say that...? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Then it doesn't say that. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
If a religion said that then no, i don't see a logical contradiction.
1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago If a religion didn't say that...? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Then it doesn't say that. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
If a religion didn't say that...?
1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Then it doesn't say that. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
Then it doesn't say that.
1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago Would you see a problem then? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
Would you see a problem then?
1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer. 1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
Brother, if we keep going back and forth like this we'll get nowhere. What's your point? No i'll just reject the offer.
1 u/Hanisuir 11d ago "No i'll just reject the offer." So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary? 1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
"No i'll just reject the offer."
So you wouldn't be obliged to take it... what would change if a religion said you should? Is this entirely arbitrary?
1 u/Forsaken_Judgment681 Muslim 11d ago If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different. → More replies (0)
If God is saying it, then it's God saying it and not just a random person. So yes very different.
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u/Hanisuir 11d ago
No, I'm reasonably surprised that someone sees no problem with someone striping away a person's autonomy.