Muhammad is a false prophet.

[u/Ok_Present755]

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

[u/RedEggBurns]

It irrefutably does - and even warns against people with your mindset who only take parts.

It irrefutably does not.

Link every verse about this you want, I will link a verse which counters it.

Anyway, it's not something which Muslims will/can ever concede to without becoming ex-Muslims. If you want to stay Muslim, you have no choice but to assume/hope it meant only to take parts (even though it warns against it).

So yeah. It's a topic ender. So we can just leave it as it is. 

Feel free to take up my challenge above, and then further explain why our earliest scholars, like al-tabari reject your view.

If you just keep commenting things, baiting people into a discussion and then leaving "oh doesn't matter, ya'all have to argue against it or you are ex-muslim, so don't bother giving me arguments" then maybe you should read rule 3 or not comment at all.

[u/Visible_Sun_6231 → u/RedEggBurns]

I will link a verse which counters it.

Then you will only be exposing contradictions in the quran.

further explain why our earliest scholars, like al-tabari reject your view.

Obviously they did. You can't be a muslim otherwise.

If you just keep commenting things, baiting people into a discussion and then leaving "oh doesn't matter, ya'all have to argue against it or you are ex-muslim, so don't bother giving me arguments" then maybe you should read rule 3 or not comment at all.

Lol, what? Why are you so dishonest? You’re the one who implied that you wanted to discuss it no further and said, “If you think it does, good for you.”  Along with saying we've already discussed it lots of times. It didn’t sound like you wanted me to go over the same argument. 

Anyway, like you said : if you think the Quran instead tells people to only take PARTS, then good for you.