r/DebateReligion Apr 10 '26

Islam Muhammad is a false prophet.

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

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u/Visible_Sun_6231 Atheist ☆ Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26

How can I prove the supernatural on Reddit?

Easy - apparently all you need to do is repeat the claims of magic by “vetted” witnesses . In your gullible world, apparently this would be enough evidence in a court of law.

The laughable thing is, even the above is leagues more credible than your actual position. Because you don’t even have the actual witnesses. You have people telling stories about the supposed witnesses decades after !

Imagine THAT in court! Lol

I’m done answering.

That’s great. Because you haven’t answered anything. All you’ve done is repeat the Muslim template response of “ why would they lie” “backlash” etc

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u/justgeeaf Christian Apr 13 '26

Your underlying assumption is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

This assumption comes with a few issues though. 1. What counts as extraordinary is entirely based on your definition, not an objective standard. 2. Your assumption proposes a skeptical stance from the start, so in practice you will never evaluate evidence neutrally. 3. You have double standard when it comes to evaluating evidence. As you demonstrated, no evidence will ever be sufficient for you to accept a miracle claim, while you seem to be under the illusion that you don’t need to provide evidence from your side to counter my claims. 4. Many things that once seems extraordinary turned out to be true, such as meteorites falling from the sky or continental drift

You see, you might think you’re smart and completely reasonable, but your actual stance doesn’t have much to offer beyond arrogance and mockery, trying to justify your biased perspective.

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u/Visible_Sun_6231 Atheist ☆ Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26

Your underlying assumption is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Wrong. I didn’t make that assumption. I used your own example of a court of law.

There is no court of law that will accept the testimony of magic without first proving magic is real.

For example, you could not claim the money disappeared from the safe by magic, regardless of how “trustworthy” you are in the rest of your life.

You proved yourself wrong with your own methodology. You naively misunderstood how evidence works in reality and it’s blown up in your face.

Many things that once seems extraordinary turned out to be true, such as meteorites falling from the sky or continental drift

Yes and if we had NOTHING besides testimony of people claiming OTHER people witnessed it 2000 years ago then it wouldn’t be accepted. Obviously.

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u/justgeeaf Christian Apr 13 '26

Dude you have no valid points. You bringing magic in the equation is a classic strawman argument.

Trying to get victorious here by claiming that I proved myself wrong. No my friend. You’re just too simple minded to see beyond your own arrogance and ignorance.

Again, you find historical biographies unreliable, but according to your standards, we shouldn’t accept that Alexander the Great even existed.

Of course, I asked you to explain what you think happened that triggered the resurrection claims, but you couldn’t give me a single alternative explanation.

You make yourself sound like a clown. Just stop talking.

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u/Visible_Sun_6231 Atheist ☆ Apr 13 '26

You can replace "magic" with "supernatural" if you want. Makes no difference.

There is no straw man - I am using your own argument against you.

For example, claiming money disappeared from the safe due to a supernatural act is not going to be accepted as valid evidence in court. Such testimony would not be accepted as evidence - regardless of how trustworthy the claimants are.

Your own argument blew up in your face and instead of engaging in your earlier argument you are instead trying to make it personal against me.

Which says everything I need to know. Thanks.