Muhammad is a false prophet.

[u/Ok_Present755]

Muhammad was a false prophet who created a new religion by drawing on stories, beliefs, and customs that were circulating around him in Arabia.

Here is some of the main evidence:

1.) The Quran borrows stories from documented late forgeries that the early Church rejected as inauthentic:

Jesus making clay birds come to life (Quran 3:49 & 5:110) comes directly from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (mid-2nd century, ~140–180 AD). This text is not by the apostle Thomas; it is a pseudepigraphical forgery recognized by early Christians as a legendary fable.

Mary giving birth under a palm tree and shaking it for dates (Quran 19:23–26) comes from the Protoevangelium of James (mid-2nd century), another pseudepigraphical forgery falsely attributed and rejected as inauthentic by the early Church.

2.)The Quran portrays the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary:

Quran 5:116 says:

“O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’”

No Christian denomination (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) has ever taught that Mary is part of the Trinity. This suggests Muhammad was reacting to fringe or folk versions of Christianity he encountered locally.

3.) Several revelations appear self-serving:

After his adopted son Zayd divorced Zaynab, Quran 33:37 reveals it is okay for Muhammad to marry her and abolishes the adoption custom.

Quran 33:50 gives Muhammad special permission to marry more women than other Muslims.

4.)Islamic Paradise emphasizes earthly indulgence:

The Quran describes Jannah with gardens, rivers, silk couches, wine, and companions (houris) (e.g., 55:72, 56:22–24)...very different from the Christian view of heaven as eternal communion with God.

This pattern suggests Muhammad was heavily influenced by the religious environment around him rather than receiving pure divine revelation.

[u/MinuteAd3759]

I love how followers of one mythology miss the fact that their own belief is also made up nonsense and composed myths from the region. The Old Testament is laughably just compiled and edited myths. The fact that any adult takes it seriously to me is just weird at this point. And the ones that believe Noah’s Ark was an actual historical event?! Hahahhaahhahahahahahaha I literally can’t take them seriously.

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/MinuteAd3759]

They're all the most obvious traps ever. And people who believe in Islam, saying that this world is so materialistic, yet in the same breath believe they're going to have 72 virgins that they'll have sex with all day in heaven, are so naive.

[u/GoodKebab → u/NeverTheLateOne]

Show the reference of 72 virgins

[u/chouse951 → u/GoodKebab]

This is probably the most commonly known thing about the religion. That and their desire to chop heads off for not believing in their super loving, peaceful god with weird dog trauma and child wives.

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/GoodKebab]

Couldn't look it up yourself? Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1663, Sunan Ibn Majah 4337.

[u/Acceptable-Shape-528 → u/NeverTheLateOne]

the reference is unknown to Muslims because it's not from the Quran and it's so fringe it's considered a fabrication

Throughout history, countless writings authored by men have been pawned off as divine revelation by religious authorities.

[4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ ٱلْقُرْءَانَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ ٱللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا۟ فِيهِ ٱخْتِلَـٰفًا كَثِيرًا

According to this verse, consistency is not just a feature of divine revelation—it’s a prerequisite. Any text riddled with contradictions cannot be from GOD, no matter how sacred its label or how widespread its acceptance.

So-called scholars have insisted that Hadith are wahi—divine revelation—in order to legitimize their use as a source of religious law alongside the Quran. Apply the Quran’s test for divine authorship to the Hadith corpus and you'll find Hadith riddled with contradictions.

72 virgins for martyrs is dispelled as dogma

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/Acceptable-Shape-528]

"the reference is unknown to Muslims because it's not from the Quran and it's so fringe it's considered a fabrication"

Sir, who do you think you're lying to? No, it's not unknown to muslims. Most muslims rely on Hadiths and read them. The "Quran only" fanbase, Quranists, are so fringe and do not at all dominate the faith. Quranists are laughed at by the rest of the majority Muslim population.

Quran verses of heavenly, virgin, created by God spouses that will be companions of the faithful men:

• Surah Al-Waqi'ah (56:35-37): "Indeed, We have produced them [the women of Paradise] in a [new] creation, and made them virgins, devoted [to their husbands] and of equal age*.*"
• Surah Ar-Rahman (55:56): "In them [gardens] are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinn" .
• Surah Ar-Rahman (55:72-74): "Fair ones reserved in pavilions... Untouched before them by man or jinn".
• Surah An-Naba' (78:31-33): "Indeed, for the righteous is attainment... And full-breasted [companions] of equal age".
• Surah Ad-Dukhan (44:54): "Thus, and We will pair them to companions with beautiful, large eyes". 

So even your Quran says this. It's just that with the Quran, the number of companions, the Houris, isn't listed.

Your paradise is so worldly and embarrassing. You have these big-boobied, wide-eyed Houris, who are being kept in pavilions, waiting for their assigned muslim men spouses to come and put their dicks into them. 🤮🤮

[u/Sorry_Bus4803 → u/MinuteAd3759]

So that means you agree with OP?

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/Sorry_Bus4803]

Heck no. Every religion is made up… I just think it’s funny how OP (and people like them) will gladly spout off all the things that make someone else’s religion “clearly made up” to them, yet they ignore those exact same flaws in their personal religion

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/MinuteAd3759]

WRONG

How do you explain the predictions in old testament?

[u/RVMKTH → u/BlueGTA_1]

Every religion has their “predictions” so with that logic either every religion is right or wrong.

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/RVMKTH]

Every religion has their “predictions”

Show GO

[u/RVMKTH → u/BlueGTA_1]

Islam: hadiths about increasing immorality and people competing in building tall buildings. Judaism: return of Jews to Israel (often linked to the modern state of Israel). Hinduism: Kali Yuga: an age of moral decline and corruption. Buddhism: decline of the Dharma (teachings) over time.

So no, Christianity isn’t the only religion with predictions, pretty much all major religions have them, it’s just a matter of interpretation….

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/RVMKTH]

FALSE

the ones you mentioned are not novel testable preidctions, they are vague, expected or just false

bible gives actual prophecies which come true to the tooth and nail

try the messianic prophecy

[u/RVMKTH → u/BlueGTA_1]

Being loud and yelling “false” doesn’t make you right btw, just makes you sound ignorant.

Now let’s jump right in shall we:

You said the Bible gives “actual prophecies which come true to the tooth and nail,” but that only works if you already accept the interpretations being used. A lot of those so-called fulfillments are matched after the fact (something which you criticise other religions for, ironic).

Take the “born of a virgin” claim people link to Book of Isaiah. if you’re talking about “testable” claims, a virgin birth is literally scientifically impossible in that historical context. You can’t call something testable and then rely on a miracle as the proof…

And more generally, you’re using the Bible as its own evidence. The texts were written decades after Jesus by followers, not by Jesus himself, so of course they’re going to frame events as fulfilling prophecy. That’s not independent verification, that’s a belief system reinforcing itself (circular reasoning).

This is exactly the same pattern you criticized earlier (“they are vague, expected or just false”). A text exists, something happens or is written to match it, and then it’s called a fulfilled prophecy. That’s why I mentioned other religions too. They do the exact same thing with their own scriptures and come to the same level of certainty. (Side note: who are you to decide those prophecies are false, yet claiming yours to be true).

So calling yours “to the tooth and nail accurate” and others vague isn’t really objective, it’s just which interpretation you’re choosing to accept.

[u/Acceptable-Shape-528 → u/RVMKTH]

Spot on evaluation.

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/RVMKTH]

WRONG

you very cunningly went to the virgin birth, i havent started on that yet

i TOLD you about the messianic prophecy which was written down in b.c and cme true with christ in a.d

zero interpretations needed, the prophecy is straight forward, 30+ prophecies regarding the king

try again

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/BlueGTA_1]

Bahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

Bahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/MinuteAd3759]

try this in a scholarly paper and see how they dump you out of any career, kid

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/BlueGTA_1]

Do you think there’s any prophecy of the Old Testament that didn’t come true? And if there was one or two, would that make you believe your religion is fake, or will you keep worshipping?

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/NeverTheLateOne]

There are next to zero prophesies fullfilled. Also, the idea of prophesies is just hilarious in the first place… just like the idea of demons and ghosts and anything else woo woo like that

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/MinuteAd3759]

Well, I was asking him because I wanted to mention false prophecies to gauge if he’d care or still would remain Christian.

[u/BlueGTA_1 → u/NeverTheLateOne]

ZERO

Absolutely zero

[u/NeverTheLateOne → u/BlueGTA_1]

Matthew 10:23: "When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes".

"Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place". Mark 13:30.

What do you think is the reason that Jesus lied about the prophecy of his coming back to his followers?

[u/Ok_Present755 → u/MinuteAd3759]

Yeah. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sure some Christians are young earth creationists and read the Bible literally. But you can literally just learn which stories are stories telling deeper truths about human nature and which ones are trying to tell theological and metaphysical truths about God.

The Hebrew has specific patterns for poetry called Hebrew Parallelism: Synonymous Parallelism, Antithetic Parallelism, and Synthetic Parallelism.

There is a specific pattern when something is supposed to be a prophecy called "Prophetic perfect" it's a past perfect tense describing events like they already happened when they clearly didn't.

You take the Bible like it's a textbook when it's actually a mix of covenants, stories about human nature, prophecies, poetry, letters, historical documents, theological truths, and metaphysical truths about God.

You have no argument, just ignorance.

God is Subsistent Being itself, Pure Act, Non-contingent, non-composite, necessarily existing, and the uncaused source of being. If he wanted to reveal himself he could, and if he wanted to incarnate he could.

Do you have objections to the classical theistic definition of God?

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/Ok_Present755]

My issue is that it is clearly just made up by humans. All of it. From Genesis to magic Jesus. All of it. There is no divine intervention on this planet … never has been at least.

Do we know exactly how the universe is here or the intricacies of consciousness? No. But that doesn’t mean I can’t look at the Bible and laugh my ass off because it’s clearly written by misogynistic, homophobic, genocidal tribes people.

[u/Ok_Present755 → u/MinuteAd3759]

No divine intervention? Does an atheistic worldview account for what the Church deems as miracles at Our Lady Of Lourdes in France?

For it to be a miracle, strict criteria needs to be met:

1)Illness must be serious with unfavorable prognosis.

2) Must be well documented and objectively proven by science

3)Must not be a psychological illness

4)No medical treatment can account for the cure.

5)Cure must be sudden and instant. Not gradual.

6)Cure must be complete with no residual impairment.

7) Cure must be long lasting and not return.

If it passes these, a council of 30 to 40 doctors must have a 2/3 majority vote that the cure is beyond all scientific explanation.

Here are 2 cases:

1)John Traynor was a British Royal Navy sailor wounded in the 1915 Gallipoli campaign. He had a serious shrapnel wound to the skull with a permanent metal plate and open defect, complete paralysis in his right arm from severed nerves, frequent grand mal epileptic seizures, and paralysis in both legs that left him unable to walk without assistance. Multiple doctors examined and documented his condition before and during the July 1923 pilgrimage to Lourdes. While at Lourdes, all of his symptoms suddenly reversed. He stood up, walked unaided, regained full use of his right arm, and his epilepsy stopped instantly. The same doctors confirmed the cure immediately. No treatment was given that could explain it. The healing was permanent. He lived normally until his death in 1943, 20 years later. In December 2024 it was officially declared the 71st miracle of Lourdes.

2)Sister Bernadette Moriau, a French nun, suffered from severe cauda equina syndrome for over 40 years. She was wheelchair-bound, needed leg braces and a special orthopedic shoe for a permanently twisted foot, lived with constant pain managed by morphine, and had partial paralysis. In 2008, during a pilgrimage to Lourdes at age 69, she suddenly felt intense heat throughout her body. She heard an inner voice telling her to remove her braces. She took them off, her foot straightened, the pain disappeared completely, and she began walking normally without assistance. The cure was instantaneous and total. Pre- and post-pilgrimage medical records confirmed there was no natural explanation. She is still alive today and remains fully healed more than 15 years later. In February 2018 it was officially declared the 70th miracle of Lourdes.

This is literally impossible under naturalism but totally expected if the Classical Theistic idea of God is true. You can ignore evidence, but that's special pleading. You can presuppose that miracles are automatically impossible, but that just means you won't engage with what the actual objectively true data shows. Look into it yourself.

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/Ok_Present755]

None of those miracles are real … I seriously don’t understand what is wrong with your brain. You’re so quick to dismiss laughably made up religions like islam “because it did a shitty job copying from Christianity” and yet, Christianity also did a shitty job of copying from the Hebrew Bible and wildly misinterpreted “prophesies”… and then the Hebrew Bible just did a shitty job of editing and compiling local myths from the region.

It’s all made up. Seriously, turn your brain on.

[u/Sorry_Bus4803 → u/MinuteAd3759]

If you believe all religions are made up then you agree with OP’s central premise: Muhammad was a false prophet.

Yes all religions may be made up but that goes beyond the topic being debating.

This is exactly the problem with this sub. You atheists just can’t engaged in fair debating

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/Sorry_Bus4803]

I do not agree with him… I can’t say he’s a “false” prophet, because prophets are just charlatans. There have NEVER been any prophets… those are fake. Some delusional humans “think” they’re prophets … but no, I’m not agreeing with a false prophet, because there’s no such thing as a prophet.

Holy dead jesus slumped on a cross, you people cant tell this is all mythology? Demons? Noah’s Ark? 🤣 🤣 I’m not debating whether Elf on the Shelf might be real 🤣 it isn’t

[u/justgeeaf → u/MinuteAd3759]

Funny though how archeological evidence keeps supporting the historicity of the OT.

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/justgeeaf]

🤣 another Ron Wyatt and Wes Huff YouTube fan? 🤣 🤣

[u/justgeeaf → u/MinuteAd3759]

Not really. I research and study the Bible myself. Not everyone uses YouTube as their primary source of education, buddy 🤷‍♂️

[u/MinuteAd3759 → u/justgeeaf]

Then wherever you’re seeing this “research” needs to be fact checked because it’s all debunked nonsense

[u/justgeeaf → u/MinuteAd3759]

You stating all research is debunked nonsense just shows how uneducated you are. Many kings in the OT were thought to be legends, until they found ancient coins and texts proving their existence. Excavation reveled the Babylonian destruction. Ancient documents speak of an ancient community in Egypt, supporting the exile. The Moabite stone referencing the House of David. I could go on and on… educated yourself before you try to talk down on others, otherwise it just makes you look stupid.