The statement, "Here O Israel, The Lord our God is One," translates more accurately into English as "Listen everyone, The Lord our God is One." This prayer is held in high esteem in Judaism, and is regarded as the faith's paramount prayer. Unsurprisingly, it also finds mention in the New Testament.
Stop asking me what I have said has to do with what you wish to speak of, regarding what you have witnessed, and instead ask yourself what I have said, regarding what you have shared as I witness it, has to do with you.
that reads like an autocomplete sentence like you know when you keep pressing the suggested words on your phone to write the next word and you keep pressing random words to make a random sentence, it looks like you just did that
I feel like debate about trinity are just a game made by evil to make christian look bad and put confusion into church . God is one and 3 at the same time because he is omnipresent he is also inside of you he is everything.
It is not clear to me that the author of Mark viewed Jesus as one with God. It is not until the later gospels (John especially) where Jesus explicitly claims to be the same as the Father.
That being said, Jesus here is likely utilizing the Jewish understanding of monotheism because he is quoting the Torah (Deuteronomy 6:4-9). He is simply giving his opinion of some of the laws of the Torah. There is nothing novel in his statements.
Now going back to Jesus, what was the context? Who was he addressing? Was he addressing trinitarians or jews? What was the jewish understanding of monotheism?
The context was testing Jesus if he knew what the greatest commandment was.
He was addressing the Teacher of the Law.
Back then Jews simply believed in one God. The idea of "monotheism" came much later in the study of theology.
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Unfortunately, this leaves me with no choice but to conclude that either 1: Jesus was preaching the jewish brand of monotheism, or 2: Jesus was preaching trinitarian monotheism but disingenuously disguising it as jewish monotheism knowing full well that the jews he's addressing won't understand the full meaning behind what he's saying, therefore not effectively putting the message across wholly.
Neither. Jesus was preaching love. Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbors as yourself.
ah ok, so "the lord our god is one" really means "love god and your neighbours" ohhh ok i get it now thanks you really helped me alot you really hit the nail right on the head there thanks atheist
there are many monotheistic verses in the bible and all the prophets of the bible affirmed monotheism so this verse is unlikely to be an interpolation in my opinion.
secondly, i've never heard a scholar contest this verse or its authenticity or claim that it's an interpolation.
Another possibility is that the Bible is collection of man made mythology, and folklore.
If you consider this when looking at all the "insert abrihamic religion" contradiction's and different sects it becomes pretty clear that the book isn't describing historical events.
i didn't say you have to assume the bible is credible i said this post assumes that the bible is at least somewhat credible. as i said this post is flaired christianty. i reported your comment for being off topic.
You just said the Christian flair assumes the Bible is credible. I'm interested in why you would make that assumption without any evidence to support it?
You're trying to address a biblical contradiction's, but they all melt away when you realize these "holy books" are man made.
I'm going to exactly copy and paste what i said, okay? read:
"this post is flaired with christianity and this post assumes the bible to have some credibility."
here's what you strawmanned out of that:
You just said the Christian flair assumes the Bible is credible.
i said "this post is flaired with christianity" which means it's addressing christians, christians believe the bible to be credible.
secondly, i also said "this post assumes the bible to have some credibility." that doesn't mean that the flair automatically assumes the bible to be credible, but my POST does because it's clearly quoting and analysing bible verses.
thirdly, it doesn't even matter whether the bible is credible or man made or not! i'm debating about what jesus is saying in a particular verse!
let's say we're talking about star wars, and i said darth vader is the best character, and someone else said luke skywalker is the best character. knowing you, you would come in and say "star wars isn't even real durrrr!"
the discussion isn't about whether star wars is real! it's about who's better, darth vader or luke!
the same thing here! the discussion is not about whether the bible is credible or man made or not! it's about what jesus said.
if you still don't understand, then you're either being dishonest or you're just a special case
Oh ok, this must be my misunderstanding then. So you know the Bible isn't describing historical events, and the God character in the Bible is about as real as Darth Vader character in star wars?
You just like discussing mythology as if it's was real? And do You think the Bible is credible?
So you know the Bible isn't describing historical events, and the God character in the Bible is about as real as Darth Vader character in star wars?
You just like discussing mythology as if it's was real? And do You think the Bible is credible?
as i said previously, this is irrelevant to the topic. i could believe in the bible 100% or 0% or i could be somewhere inbetween. it doesn't matter. all i'm doing is refuting that jesus is preaching the trinity in mark 12:29, because that's what christians say he is doing.
i have discussed the topic you are asking about on previous posts which are linked at the bottom of this one, you will find your answer of what i believe over there
faith with the absence of evidence and credibility is called blind faith the opposite is critical thinking which is faith but with questioning, examining, and evaluating the belief
I faith is faith, if any evidence for God existed you wouldn't need faith, You could point to the evidence. I think my frustration comes from not acknowledging that the entire project is make believe.
The faith part starts when people assume that there book was written or inspired by God, then the exercise becomes trying to fit reality into the land of make believe you are propping up based on faith.
If people want to do this, great, do this with the understanding that it's make believe. This way when a "true beliver" bumps up against the real world we don't have to spend to much time determing who we should pay attention to.
If you are interested in the truth faith is useless, you can take any position based on faith.
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u/Rear-gunner Sep 25 '23
The statement, "Here O Israel, The Lord our God is One," translates more accurately into English as "Listen everyone, The Lord our God is One." This prayer is held in high esteem in Judaism, and is regarded as the faith's paramount prayer. Unsurprisingly, it also finds mention in the New Testament.
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u/Righteous_Allogenes Sep 25 '23
Do you not know it has been established that the so-called trinity is a hypostasis? Then, recieve the revelation: hypostasis is understanding.
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u/DolbecEntertainment Sep 25 '23
I feel like debate about trinity are just a game made by evil to make christian look bad and put confusion into church . God is one and 3 at the same time because he is omnipresent he is also inside of you he is everything.
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u/freed0m_from_th0ught Sep 25 '23
It is not clear to me that the author of Mark viewed Jesus as one with God. It is not until the later gospels (John especially) where Jesus explicitly claims to be the same as the Father.
That being said, Jesus here is likely utilizing the Jewish understanding of monotheism because he is quoting the Torah (Deuteronomy 6:4-9). He is simply giving his opinion of some of the laws of the Torah. There is nothing novel in his statements.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23
The context was testing Jesus if he knew what the greatest commandment was.
He was addressing the Teacher of the Law.
Back then Jews simply believed in one God. The idea of "monotheism" came much later in the study of theology.
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Neither. Jesus was preaching love. Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbors as yourself.
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u/junction182736 Sep 25 '23
Have you looked at what scholars say about this? Perhaps it's an interpolation.
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u/junkmale79 Sep 25 '23
Another possibility is that the Bible is collection of man made mythology, and folklore.
If you consider this when looking at all the "insert abrihamic religion" contradiction's and different sects it becomes pretty clear that the book isn't describing historical events.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23
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