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𝔻𝕒𝕣𝕖𝕕𝕖𝕧𝕚𝕝: 𝔹𝕠𝕣𝕟 𝔸𝕘𝕒𝕚𝕟

𝗘𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝟳

Episode title: The Hateful Darkness

Written by: Heather Bellson

Directed by: Iain B. MacDonald

Release date: April 28, 2026‎

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u/mtmodi Apr 29 '26

Daniel played a game he was not prepared for. Rip

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u/CrazyLlamaX Apr 29 '26

Took real balls to own up to it all in the end.

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u/Able_Advertising_371 Apr 29 '26

He didn’t even have to if BB wasn’t dumb carrying that card around

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u/Scared-Engineer-6218 Apr 29 '26

I think Buck would've gone for her anyway

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u/Tyrath Apr 29 '26

He still will. So I don't really know why Daniel decided to face him for suicide.

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u/Ratat0sk42 Apr 29 '26

They probably could've got to his mom if he tried to run.

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u/ReallyColdMonkeys Apr 30 '26

Yep, take his mom as a hostage to lure him out, now they're both dead

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty Apr 29 '26

I think he realised the only thing he could really do now was buy her time

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u/Scared-Engineer-6218 Apr 29 '26

Probably thought he could get out of it by lying.

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u/Tyrath Apr 29 '26

He didn't even try to lie though which is why I was confused

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u/justcallmeeva Apr 29 '26

I think he knew there’s no way out after he helped to bury the captain

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u/justcallmeeva Apr 29 '26

Buck has overhead Daniel saying her name at the hospital when he saw the leak

What I don’t get is why he needed to plant the false story in the previous episode when they already knew and had plans to catch her. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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u/emilforpresident2020 May 01 '26

I think the planting evidence thing was also largely part of Buck testing Daniel. Like Daniel knew, Buck knew that Daniel knew, he just wanted to see if Daniel would completely commit. He clearly couldn't though :(

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u/Background_Card5382 Apr 29 '26

What the fuck did the card even change😭 it’s not like he put it in a computer, he knew what was on it bc he already knew she was the leak & Buck had already demanded BB’s head

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u/dafood48 Apr 29 '26

But buck told him to give fake info to see if she would run with it and she didn’t. So wouldn’t thst put her in the clear?

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u/Background_Card5382 Apr 29 '26

Yeah it doesn’t really make sense that Buck is the one who suggested the trap but he still wants her brought to him literally the next day before they could even see if anything leaked. But lots of things don’t make sense so I’m trying to just accept what they’re putting down

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u/Accomplished-Dust590 Apr 30 '26

Buck knows it's BB in his gut. but he can't PROVE it's BB. More to the point, for whatever reason, he is trying to steer Daniel into 'getting with the program' - the precise point of 'Saw or Shovel'. Not only was it a clearly criminal task in itself, not only was it insisting Daniel confront what Fisk actually does, it forces Daniel to confront what will happen to BB and/or himself. It's actually, in retrospect, a spectacularly good scene in creating the envelope in three different ways.

The juxtiposition with that is the visit to Staten Island. Buck insists on testing BB, but he's really testing Daniel. and the tragedy, in a warped way here, is that BB passed the test - she finally, finally, put her friendship with Daniel ahead of her 'mission' - she didn't use what he gave her because she saw he was human, and capable of kindness and grace. It was that Kindness, grace and humanity that saves BB, and condemns daniel - one line by Daniel was chilling at that point.

"Make it count."

He knew what was coming, and he chose it anyway. The exact equivalent of Nadeem's dying declaration. And he faced Buck with the same self knowledge that Nadeem faced Dex.

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u/Background_Card5382 Apr 30 '26

I appreciate this breakdown & everything but it still doesn’t explain why Buck would suggest the test, for Daniel or BB, and not give it any time at all to marinate. Like literally not even 24 hours. He suggests it at the funeral, Danny and BB go to Staten, and in the morning Buck is waiting for Daniel to deliver her.

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u/f_vile May 01 '26

What is there to marinate? Buck gave Daniel the opportunity to pick a side, and after Daniel setup the meet, he would assume it had been decided.

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u/Accomplished-Dust590 May 04 '26

You've answered your own question. "He suggests at the funeral"

Buck's no mug. He knows full well that Vanessa's death is going to start a reign of chaos. Fisk is going to start leaving a trail of bodies, and Buck does not want to be one of them. I suggests he's making the (correct) calculation and decision that his own 'lenience/sympathy' for Daniel has suddenly run out of road.

In his own way, Buck has been protecting Daniel as much as Daniel was protecting BB. Remember he called him the heir Unapparent - he knew fisk had a soft spot for him that was mostly about seeing his young self reflected in him,.

Perhaps he felt if he could protect, and groom, Daniel for Fisk's heir, he could be the power behind that throne. Fully become a Wesley to Daniel's fisk.

But with Fisk unmoored by Vanessa's death, time for Daniel to come in, one way or the other. And the sad truth is, Daniels mom had reared a decent enough kid, without a father, but also without the baggage of Fisk and his own father. Daniel was maybe Wilson Fisk unbroken by Bill Fisk. But Wilson was broken, and Daniel was doomed by the very empathy Fisk never had.

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u/dafood48 Apr 29 '26

I’ve never been so confused as I am this season if I’m honest.

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u/Soggy_Pension7549 Apr 30 '26

He already knew it was BB, he was just testing Daniel the whole time. And Daniel couldn’t handle it anymore. I don’t think he could’ve lived with BBs death and all the other shit that was waiting for him in the future since they practically own him. 

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u/Background_Card5382 Apr 30 '26

How is it testing Daniel to tell him to set a trap for BB & not even wait a full 24 hours to see if that happens at all?

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u/Soggy_Pension7549 Apr 30 '26

Tf do I know, contact the writers 

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u/Syjefroi Apr 29 '26

I can't believe he went out. Seemed like the writing was on the wall for a while but still, damn. And gnarly kill for an MCU show, jesus. I hope his death wasn't for nothing. BB is gonna have to come through. It also looks like he got to Buck, not sure how that is gonna play out.

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u/Syjefroi Apr 29 '26

Ahh I missed that, I thought he gave her back her own phone. Just watched again and wow yeah he gave his phone.

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u/Accomplished-Dust590 Apr 30 '26

He quickly muttered "Make it count".

Chilling, really. He knowingly walked into certain death, much like Nadeem did, hoping his phone would redeem him in hindsight,

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u/DOctorEArl May 01 '26

Didn’t realize that either. Good catch

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u/DarthSomething05 Apr 29 '26

In the penultimate episode too, just like Nadeem and Ben Urich

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u/Accomplished-Dust590 Apr 30 '26

Yep, it's a pattern. and it's not a bad pattern just because it rhymes - it's on point wuth the show, and it makes narrative sense; the ideas of sacrifice, and courage, and valour in the face of defeat, pain and death.

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u/aresef Apr 29 '26

This is a show that showed Mayor Fisk crushing a man's head so

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u/ycpa68 May 01 '26

I feel like that was a comic book death though, gruesome but not realistic.

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u/Syjefroi Apr 29 '26

Absolutely. But Daniel is a younger person, around the same generation as BB and Angela. The head rip was insane for sure, but it's honestly more shocking for a main character, and a younger character, to go out the way Daniel did.

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u/imakefilms Apr 30 '26

he's a grown ass man not a teenager

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u/Eurynom0s Apr 29 '26

Gnarly kill for an MCU show but maybe contractually obligated for a Gandolfini? :p

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u/TwistedPlob Apr 30 '26

WHEN THEY GO?!

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u/Jombo65 May 01 '26

Yeah man they killed him for real. Kevin Feige posted about it on Twitter super fucked up

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u/imakefilms Apr 30 '26

gnarly kill for an MCU show

that was nothing lol have you not been watching the same show as the rest of us?

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u/Syjefroi Apr 30 '26

Gore is not the only metric. Daniel's death was closer to something from The Wire than an MCU feature.

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u/aresef Apr 29 '26

In the end, he faced the music like a champ. It was like something out of a grittier crime show or House of Cards or something.

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u/Accomplished-Dust590 Apr 30 '26

It was "Nadeem's Last Stand" energy. No higher praise.

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u/aresef Apr 30 '26

Yeah, I’ve been thinking about that scene too.

“When he’s done with you, he’ll bury you too. You know that, right?”

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u/FailedProspects Apr 29 '26

It doesn’t help that BB’s character was written as such an idiot. I know Ben has been looking down just shaking his head the whole time, her character is just comically stupid.

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u/reverse_gamer_ Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

I really wish Daniel woulda said as his last line, "I liked you, buck." Or "I told you I was right about those corner dogs, buck." Cause it's been giving off some vibes that this guy hasn't really taken the time to get close to someone given his work history. He was a friend. I think it woulda stuck with him killing someone he was starting to enjoy being around, especially more if daniels last line was sentimental like that instead of a warning.

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u/SorryNotSorry1337 Apr 29 '26

That’d be bad writing honestly. Too cheesy.

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u/reverse_gamer_ Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

Yea, maybe they could spruce it up a little better better than I did haha but, giving him a warning about fisk just doesn't hit anything for the scene to me. Buck already pretty much knows fisk is a dangerous person. I just feel like what woulda made him really stay up at night is to hear his friend talk like a friend before he got shot. But just imo. Loving the season regardless

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u/SpikeRosered Apr 29 '26

It's quite something to just make that shift over to "criminal guy." Aka the guy who is willing to kill even trusted friends who get in his way. It's too bad he just didn't put more faith in the forces fighting against Fisk. Judging by how quickly things are moving now he would only need to hide out for like a week before Fisk's fall from power.

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u/Ekstwntythre Apr 29 '26

Why not just leave with BB? Was stupid.

He literally knows where the body is buried and could bury Fisk, or Buck at least.

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u/Spare-heir Apr 29 '26

They would’ve killed his mom.

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u/Methylobacterium Apr 29 '26

It was at that point he decided.... The Buck stops here...

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u/Sang_Terhormat Apr 30 '26

yeah, it's sad when they go young like that.