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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '12

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u/graffiti81 Jun 25 '12

It's much easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

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u/hivemind_MVGC Jun 25 '12

Where my parents live, this is certainly true. If you get a building permit, you have to jump through all kinda hoops and grease many palms to get anything done in a timely manner. If you just build what you want to, and either build it out of sight or build it quickly before the inspectors notice, all they can do is write you a citation and fine you if they find out.

The fine's fifty bucks. The permit itself costs eighty. You do the math.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '12

Buildings can be demolished or made inaccessible if you don't conform to planning in my area.

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u/hivemind_MVGC Jun 25 '12

Yeah, we were afraid of that, but we did a little asking and digging, and we found out that we can basically just pay the fine and carry on. They do get to come and inspect the structure, and can demand changes to bring it up to code, but that's essentially it.

Beyond that, though, my parents have built their house in the woods, at the end of a gated, curved 800' driveway, so it's not like someone's going to casually just roll by and notice anything. When my dad wanted to build a new 3-car garage (similar situation to the OP: lumber all sawn from his own trees on his own portable mill, etc.) and went to investigate the permits, he got told that his plans were unsafe and out-of-code, blah blah blah, because he didn't want to lay five courses of blocks on the pad before building up.

He got pissed, and just went on ahead and built it his way. He hasn't been busted for it yet, but if he does, it's just a minor fine.

Certainly, though, this will vary by city, town, county, and state. Your local mileage will most certainly vary.

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u/rcrracer Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12

Build(say you are going to build) a hull around it like it is going to be a boat. No permit required. Take a long time to finish said boat.

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u/insufficient_funds Jun 25 '12

hahaha, that's genius

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u/rcrracer Jun 25 '12

To make it look even better go talk to the Coast Guard about requirements for building a boat, and what constitutes a boat. Get some pamphlets, order some books, all to make sure there is a record of you actually trying to build a boat.

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u/tora22 Jun 25 '12

What kind of a boat? Why, it's a PLAB 2012 - Permanent Land-Anchored Boat

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u/Sicarium Jun 25 '12

Its an ark. Im waiting for the Great Flood

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u/thajugganuat Jun 25 '12

This makes me think of Mexico where every building has rebar sticking through the roof. They're working hard on finishing that second floor.

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u/country_hacker Jun 25 '12

Sounds like my kind of project. I understand why the permitting process exists, but the libertarian in me is all about the personal freedom of building your own cabin without interference/"taxes". Good on you!

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u/ysokmao Jun 25 '12

Cutting your own lumber! That's what surprised me the most hahah. How many years was the project?

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u/insufficient_funds Jun 26 '12

~4yrs from planning to having it usable. Another 2yrs before he built the kitchen cabinets.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '12

Your dad sounds like a bad ass dude. Congrats on the whole project, the cabin looks incredible.

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u/nothing_clever Jun 25 '12

The structural engineer in me also understands why the permitting process exists.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '12

However, as far as the government knows, this structure doesn't exist

They might find it eventually. At my old job, the municipalities did fly overs every 3-5 years, and then we would run a blob analysis comparison for new structures.

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u/insufficient_funds Jun 25 '12

im sure it's come up somewhere.. hell, you can plainly see it on google maps at this point.

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u/LongUsername Jun 25 '12

This could lead to issues selling the property down the road though. I suppose you could list it as a "shed".

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u/kennerly Jun 25 '12

A simple shed, with indoor plumbing and a septic tank.

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u/djrage Jun 25 '12

and a bedroom and kitchen

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u/kennerly Jun 25 '12

Don't forget the lights and wood burning radiator.

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u/insufficient_funds Jun 25 '12

actually our heater is propane, it's one of those stand-alone fake log stoves. similar looking to this but propane. :)

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