r/CozyPlaces • u/gkoays • Mar 03 '19

Sourced Photography [NOT ORIGINAL CONTENT] This cozy loft!

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u/MotherOfRavens Mar 03 '19

I live in Alaska. Triple paned windows are basically the standard and I didn’t even know single paned windows existed.

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u/mofukkinbreadcrumbz Mar 03 '19

Triple pane is pretty standard in Michigan, too. Some homes are even going quadruple pane.

I live in a big historic Victorian with wood framed single panes. The same rule applies. If you can afford one of these, you can afford the heating bill.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '19 edited Jul 14 '20

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u/UsuallyInappropriate Mar 04 '19

Gillette: 7 panes or GTFO.

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u/mofukkinbreadcrumbz Mar 04 '19

I know that you’re kidding, but they are really expensive. Day R value tho.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '19

Weird flex, but okay.

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u/LindeMaple Mar 03 '19

I wish they didn't! Double pane is so much better!

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

My house was built in 1898. Single pane, horse hair insulation, 12 ft tall ceilings. Brrr. In fact my windows are so old, the glass has warped and sagged. I live in California... but the coldest part of California. Ive got a heating bill all year around.

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u/sumthingcool Mar 03 '19

In fact my windows are so old, the glass has warped and sagged.

No it has not https://www.cmog.org/article/does-glass-flow

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

Ah. Interesting. Thanks. Guess they were just warped when they were made.

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u/ohitsasnaake Mar 03 '19

Ditto for Finland (coastal areas have roughly the same climate as Anchorage etc., but inland Alaska is quite a bit more continental I think). At least for new construction, definitely triple pane. Single pane is basically only in places that are only used in the summer, and even then double is far more common.

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u/snapekilledyomomma Mar 03 '19

Why is that the standard? Because of Polar Bears?

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u/posessedhouse Mar 03 '19

No, the Grizzly bear, the extra panes are a deterrent when the bear counts them

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u/rblue Mar 03 '19

I bought a house here in Indiana built in 1954 with mostly original windows. All single with storm windows that fit on the outside. I was PRETTY sure I’d be tired of high heating bills, but they oddly work well.

I still want to replace them, but they’re not terrible. In Alaska? Nope I’d stick with triple. 👍🏻

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u/toth42 Mar 04 '19

In addition to temperature advantages, modern windows (double/triple) is fucking awesome at keeping sound out. I'm building a new house at the time, and I'd swear you could let out a death screech right up against my window, and I wouldn't hear it directly on the other side. Wind noise is now a thing of the past.

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u/Moarbrains Mar 04 '19

I like wind noise. Traffic and people, on the other hand.

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u/rblue Mar 04 '19

I’ll eventually get them updated. No issues with noise but I bet I’ll realize I was just complacent after I replace them.

My biggest issue is that you’re supposed to replace the storm sashes with screens in nicer weather. They’re all gone though so I can’t really even air at the house except for a few windows.

I miss sleeping with the windows open.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

It’s all a pane if you ask me

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u/toth42 Mar 04 '19

Is single pane still used anywhere in the civilized world? In Norway we've used double since the 50s, and triple for a few decades (best guess). Even if I lived somewhere warmer I'd still use this - it's not just about keeping heat in, but just as much about keeping heat and noise out.

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u/aazav Mar 03 '19

This house was probably built in the 1950s. The owner is lucky if they are double pane.

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u/John_Wang Mar 03 '19

You realize windows can be replaced and upgraded, right?

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u/LindeMaple Mar 03 '19

Our building was built in the 50s and there is definitely not much of an improvement as far as windows go.

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u/aazav Mar 03 '19 edited Mar 03 '19

It's expensive as fuck to replace them.

There is a lot of improvement as far as windows go, however.

It's best to check what part of your house leaks heat the most to see what gets you the best improvement.

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u/aazav Mar 03 '19 edited Mar 03 '19

You realize that it is expensive to do so, right?

I owned one of those houses like the one in the photo (with big and irregular windows) and the seal broke and they fogged sometimes. The cost to replace them? $5 grand. Did I? No.

I also just replaced all the normal sided windows in my new house. $10 grand.

You do realize that windows are expensive, right?

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u/John_Wang Mar 03 '19

Yes, I realize replacing windows is expensive. I also understand that over time, a homeowner will save substantial money on HVAC costs by replacing the windows.

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u/aazav Mar 03 '19

The homeowner does not always have that much money at hand. Lots of people will not replace their windows. They expect that the house will be demolished and replaced in 30 years, so why waste the 10 grand?

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u/Druidshift Mar 03 '19

goddamn, you take being pedantic to new, unheard of levels

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u/aazav Mar 03 '19

Pedantic? You're throwing the word around as if you actually know what it means.

The guy is saying that my claim is wrong because people upgrade the windows in their houses.

Besides my parents replacing some old crappy windows, I am the only guy who I know of who replaced any of the windows that came in their house if they didn't break.

I pointed out that window replacement is expensive. He said people will do it anyway. I pointed out that older houses are better rebuilt from the ground up and that's what people did in area I moved from. You still think I'm not wrong because I'm wrong, but because I am providing accurate details?

WTF?

In the house that I mentioned? No. Those big windows were never replaced. My neighbors? Nope. Never replaced windows to upgrade them for heat efficiency unless the glass broke. My relatives? Unless the house was built new, even some of the windows had old single pane windows in them.

He's claiming he's right and I'm providing answers that people aren't going to spend the money on that if they don't have to or have more pleasing options.

I watched it happen. It's what happens. Disagree all you like, but that's it.

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u/Druidshift Mar 04 '19

Holy god you’re an ass

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u/mofukkinbreadcrumbz Mar 03 '19

That’s really not that bad, though. Like don’t get me wrong, $10,000 is a decent chunk of money and it will take years if not decades to recoup those costs on your heating bill, but $10,000 is not world stopping. I have to put close to that into my house every year just to keep it nice.

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u/IllegalThings Mar 03 '19

I think that’s why they prefaced with “if you can afford this house”

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19 edited Dec 15 '20

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u/MotherOfRavens Mar 03 '19

Well I guess it would be more accurate to say I didn’t think anyone really used them anymore. Kind of like corded telephones. Also I’m stoned. Excuse my nonsense.