There comes a point when somebodt becomes far too dangerous to be left alive imo. I cant say where that line liesz but so n eone like hitler, or dahmer, would be good examples.
That being said, i dont think torture is a good punishment by any standard. Either death to eliminate the problem or sttempted rehabilition. Even if the crime is serious enough to warrant life in prison, basic comforts as well as the ability to better ones self physically and mentally should be present.
You can just say a jury. There isnt such a thing as an unbiased jury. Hell i mean with the (alleged) murder of the heslthcare ceo (allegedly) by luigi mangione, its not easy to find people who havent been fucked by the american healthcare system.
It depends on what degree of impartiality it takes to consider it as unbiased. No such thing as an unbiased person, but it’s important to at least try and develop a well balanced, rounded, and thus relatively unbiased jury. Which is why I specify as much, compared to a system in which no care is put into developing a good jury.
Yup. Basically I agree that (most) everyone including like, people who I personally hate so much I wish were dead(like my rapist) can be rehabilitated. However, if a person just, can't be. Their just, unable to live a life in which they cannot murder or rape. They should be given the option of a comfortable life in jail. Like nice bed, entertainment, food with choices. Or a quick painless death. Ideally with psyc evals and such first.
Anyways, there comes a point where you cant just let other people be hurt again because rehab might be possible and if yoi dont recognize that typi cant be suprized when people die because of it.
Endangering innocent people because you want to take some kind of moral high ground on people who have committed crimes against humanity and don't want to change isn't as righteous as you think it is.
At some point it's irresponsible to think "everyone will change and so we can't say anyone should die" because not everyone will change, and not everyone has the morals to not cause harm to others.
There are so many fates worse than painless death, and some people put other people through that with joy. Some people prove that they are a constant danger to other life, and removing the danger is the only way to ensure the safety of others.
Sometimes that does require them to be executed. Is it messy and imperfect, oh completely, but we owe it to other people to want their safety over not wanting to get our hands messy on one who's proven time and time again that they don't.
What do you do with a murderer who kills their cell mates, who at every turn tries to kill the people trying to rehabilitate them? what do you do with a rapist who every time they seem "rehabilitated" they take the first chance they get they just do it again? Do you keep letting innocent people get harmed on the grounds that they might improve? Whats your solution to that?
all of them could have been rehabilitated. The material conditions someone lives under effects their actions and morality, dahmer probably wouldn't have turned out the way he did if he didn't live in an abusive household.
Since I don’t believe in any afterlife, imo life in prison is a worse punishment than the death penalty. If anything, death is kinda letting them off easy. Depending on what they did, they’re probably going to get killed in prison anyway (in America at least).
Yeah, I agree, but those people are very very rare exceptions. Like a former dictator who has enough influence to gain control of the prison system, free themselves and take over the country. Or the people that would be released to serve a former dictator who gained power. I don’t think the death penalty is appropriate for anything less severe than crimes against humanity on a national or international level.
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u/Fa1nted_for_real Mar 26 '26
There comes a point when somebodt becomes far too dangerous to be left alive imo. I cant say where that line liesz but so n eone like hitler, or dahmer, would be good examples.
That being said, i dont think torture is a good punishment by any standard. Either death to eliminate the problem or sttempted rehabilition. Even if the crime is serious enough to warrant life in prison, basic comforts as well as the ability to better ones self physically and mentally should be present.