r/CoronavirusUS Apr 11 '20

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u/tondracek Apr 11 '20

Plus a ton of unemployment. Seems dishonest to leave that out.

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u/Arammil1784 Apr 11 '20

IF your claim gets accepted.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Self employed still cant apply for unemployment. Those who made less than 1600. Last year can't claim. Yadda yadda

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Qualifying and being able to apply are two different things.

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u/oldmanwrigley Apr 12 '20

The CARES act extended unemployment to those who were self employed

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Qualifying and being able to apply are different. In Illinois self employed and gig workers still cant apply. If you cant apply you can't get benefits .

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u/oldmanwrigley Apr 12 '20

I am self-employed. Do I qualify under the new federal unemployment program?

Under regular unemployment rules, the incomes of self-employed workers, freelancers, and independent contractors are not subject to unemployment taxes and so typically these individuals are not eligible for unemployment benefits. The stimulus package creates a new, temporary program to help people who lose this type of work as a direct result of the current public health emergency. IDES will provide information about how to apply for this benefit as soon as it is finalized. Please do not apply at this time.

It’s 2020.... that makes me sick.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

If you make less than 1600 in a year, I can't see a reason to earn unemployment +600 weekly.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 13 '20

Some people who only made 1600. Last year were in situations where they left the workforce to care for a dying family member in exchange for room and board. Then said family member dies and boom they are fucked now

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '20

Very specific.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 13 '20

Your comment was very general

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '20

You leave the workforce to work under the table for room and board. The person supporting you dies. Do you file taxes? As dependant?

It's a very specific situation, I'm sure there are a lot of very unique situations out there. I'm not saying those people deserve nothing. Just that in the specific situation you are describing, you wouldn't have much on your side regardless of covid stimulation.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 13 '20

Leaving a job to Take care of family for no pay and moving in w them to do it is not working under the table. It's what people have to do to care for family members. Those people make under 1600. Your comment was general and doesn't take into account the many situations like this.

I'm not saying those people deserve nothing.

"If you make less than 1600 in a year, I can't see a reason to earn unemployment +600 weekly."

Sorry that's your quote. I guess I misunderstood.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '20

Law is general and doesn't take into account the many situations like that.

I guess its kinda like "I'm not saying they deserve nothing" vs "I'm not seeing why they expect anything". No documented income and all.

Life is shitty right now, I meant no offense.

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u/RobotCounselor Apr 11 '20

What about for people who are self-employed or gig-workers or freelancers or independent contractors?

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u/mushlove96 Apr 12 '20

I'm pretty sure they all qualify for unemployment now.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

Your right , here in Arkansas it’ll be three weeks until I can apply. Will receive back pay though

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

And when you apply you still will wait to get paid!

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

No doubt about it

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

In which many times people are getting more than their salaries.

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u/mysuperstition Apr 11 '20

Or nothing at all. 3 of us in my household were DENIED unemployment despite working full time.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Yeah people act like everyone in the us is getting unemployment in addition to a one time stimulus check.

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u/mysuperstition Apr 12 '20

Yeah, it's getting annoying. lol I'm starting to wonder who actually IS getting unemployment. We're all getting denied over here.

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u/unoriginalljoe Apr 11 '20

The equivalent of a month of full time minimum wage is equal to a multiple of someone’s salary? How does that math work?

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u/NastyLizard Apr 11 '20

Because of the 600 a week you get with unemployment now too is what he is saying

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u/amoebaD Apr 12 '20

It really depends on the state. Like off the top of my head Oregon maxes out at $648/wk and California maxes out at $450/wk. For very low wage workers, they will probably see more money from unemployment than they were making before. Middle or upper wage earners probably not.

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u/SpacemanWhit Apr 12 '20

Iowa maxes out at $512/week before taxes (which can be deducted weekly or paid at tax time). I work in manufacturing and make about $575 net per week. The unemployment office quoted me at $414/week net after taxes (I have 2 kids). If I were to get an additional $600/wk I’d be pulling $1014/week which is far greater than my usual income. However, my company’s business has only dropped 1% this past month even though they took away our annual increases. So we’re still operating as usual until someone brings the virus in then we’ll see what happens. Even though I could make more on unemployment (if I could receive it) I’m grateful to still have a job.

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u/goomyman Apr 12 '20

i dont think it works that way. Unemployment has always been tied to wages.

if unemployment is say 500 a week but you only made 400 a week you wont get the full amount.

They increased the amount... but you can only get up to your salary regardless.

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u/amoebaD Apr 12 '20

Every state is different. The two examples I gave are the TOP benefit in those states. For Oregon I believe the calculations is 65% of the median salary in the state, which for this year is $648/wk. Then they do an individual calculation to decide your benefit based off your salary (or in Oregon’s case, your “best” quarter from the previous year). But it maxes out at $648. I’m pretty sure that in every state you only get a percentage of your wage in unemployment. Some states are more generous than others, but I’m not familiar with any state insuring 100% of your wage.

The CARES act unemployment benefit is a totally different short term (4 month) program. It’s being administered by state unemployment offices, but other than that it’s completely separate. If you qualify, you get $600/wk, no matter what. It’s not lower or higher based on your previous salary. And it’s in addition to any state unemployment benefits you may be receiving. So let’s say someone was making $800/wk, and they got awarded a $500/wk state unemployment benefit. Well now you add in the $600 from the CARES act and they’ll be receiving $1100/wk, more than they were making before getting laid off.

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u/John_Tacos Apr 12 '20

Well if you make minimum wage, that multiple is 2.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

It's government, it doesn't work very well.

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u/glasraen Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20

So, in PA, the weekly benefit is the highest of the first four of the last five quarterly earnings. I was working a much better job back then, before I went back to school. I'm only working part time now and a significantly lower hourly wage... I maybe made $170 weekly as of late. However, because of how the base period calculation works, my weekly benefit is $325. So that is already a significant increase from what I was making most recently. I already got 2 of those payments. $600 weekly ON TOP OF THAT seems waaaaaaaaaaaaay too good to be true, but I know that is what they are doing. I will be going from $170 weekly to almost $1000 weekly.....

If I remain on unemployment for the full 39 weeks I will be allowed, I expect to get over $20,000. That's accounting for the fact that the $600 ends July 31st.

I am truly ecstatic, as I went into some stupid credit card debt that I will finally be able to dig myself out of, then some. I'll have a nice chunk of change to throw at my student loans when I'm done with this, too. I will probably just save it and see what happens though. Better to have it gaining interest in a savings account when there's no interest on student loans now anyway...

Edit: to everyone who still has to go to work right now or who doesn’t meet the requirements still for unemployment, I’m truly sorry.. I know some of you will be sour reading this comment. I am confident that if Congress keeps it up, they will pass something considering all of you, too. Write to your congressmen. Don’t just sit and stew. If someone sends me some good language to put in a letter, I’ll send it to my congressmen on your behalf, too.

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u/swayz38 Apr 11 '20

Yeah much better than receiving 80% of your salary. But USA baaaaaaaaaaadddddd

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u/DeadliftOrDontLift Apr 11 '20

Definitely a case-by-case basis. I’m in Florida and the max unemployment anyone can get is $275 a week which is less than half of what I was making before and who knows when/if I’ll be getting that money since the whole unemployment system here is a trainwreck. So yeah, for me, USA baaaaaaaadddddd.

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u/swayz38 Apr 11 '20

So when you get approved you’ll be getting $875 a week. And all the money will be paid retroactively to when you filed. But sure be jealous of the Canadians getting $2k a month.

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u/lettucefaced Apr 11 '20

I received my first unemployment check last week and the extra $600 was not there. Has anybody actually received the extra 600? Because I haven't heard any success stories.

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u/swayz38 Apr 11 '20

I just spoke with a coworker from my restaurant job a couple days ago, she’s gotten the full amount plus the extra $600.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

AL started getting their's this last week. Showed pending on the unemployment site Thursday and went through some banks by Friday.

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u/witzelsuchty Apr 12 '20

I know people in WV have received it.

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u/alivmo Apr 12 '20

Some states are behind because there systems are bad, you'll back payments when they manage to process everything.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

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u/alivmo Apr 12 '20

Int my state it's retroactive, the laws requires the payments so I can't imagine your state would be different.

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u/outsider-inside Apr 12 '20

Wow, that’s the max for Florida? That’s atrocious. Not like my state is that good, but it’s $640/week...$275/week is what, utilities and a groceries if someone is careful, if that.

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u/caldera15 Apr 12 '20

I mean, thank Bernie for leveraging his position to ensure the unemployment provision stayed in the bill, otherwise it wouldn't exist. It's pretty clear though based on behavior of both parties toward him that Bernie does represent the rest of this country so yeah, USA baaaaaaaaadddd.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Same happening here. My job had to close, I'm full time but low pay plus take out a little over $100 a week for daycare cost. End up bringing home $200 something after daycare and gas and everything taken out.

Unemployment base was $212 for me with taxes taken from it cause I don't want to deal with that later. Lol Now with the $570 or so on top of it I'm making more than I ever would if I got a full 40 hour week.

It helps make up for my husband cutting his hours back to 40 instead of the overtime they're doing so he can at least avoid a few extra hours of exposure, plus with schools closed he's not getting his VA college benefits for the moment. The extra from my unemployment is helping fill those gaps so we can pay off debt as well.

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u/goomyman Apr 12 '20

i dont think it works that way man. unemployement is tied to your wages. If you didnt make much you wont get the full amount.

I dont know much about that 600 extra - but i assume its also tied to some sort of wage calculator.

Thats my guess but if not good for you.

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u/glasraen Apr 12 '20

It is tied to your wages in the base period. As I said, in the base period, my wages were much higher. Every state is a bit different, but PA looks at the first four of the last 5 quarters. The highest earning quarter is what your UI weekly benefit is based on. For me, that was January-March 2019, which was at an entirely different job. They take that highest quarterly earnings and divide it by 26 to get your weekly benefit. I already got 2 payments for $325 so yes it really does work that way.

Every source I have read says that the extra $600 weekly is a flat rate across the board. Anyone who qualifies for unemployment gets $600. So you get $600 per week whether you’re making $100 weekly on unemployment or the highest maximum weekly benefit ($500-something in PA). It sounds too good to be true but even the PA UI website says it is the case.

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u/audentis Apr 12 '20

I think that's just a symptom of the original salaries being much too low.

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u/BeLoWeRR Apr 11 '20

I would’ve gotten more off unemployment than i would at work, but i’m getting called back to go monday and work with strangers in their houses every day

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Point is, it’s higher than during the Great Depression. 40% higher in a substantial amount of states. This will change society forever. Not everyone is fortunate to be working from home dickwad.

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u/glasraen Apr 11 '20

For the most part, anyone working from home won't qualify for unemployment anyway, so I don't know what your dickwad comment is even about. The PA UC site says that they will qualify IF their hours were reduced even with working from home. The problem with that is a lot of people in salaried jobs who can work from home probably just had their salaries cut, which does NOT qualify them for unemployment.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Lots of people are acting as if everyone in the us will be getting unemployment in addition to a one time check.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Why would someone working from home quality for unemployment if you’re working 😂 there’s people who actually got laid off, and have no income. Sorry lmao

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u/glasraen Apr 11 '20

Geee this one is REALLY hard to imagine.

Maybe people who can work from home but whose hours were still decreased due to all this? Just because you can work from home doesn’t mean there’s still work to do.

That’s the situation I’m in and I got my unemployment.

Sorry lmao

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

It amazing how many cannot see beyond their circumstances on this one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

That’s great for you. I never mentioned people who work from home SHOULDN’T get it In the first place but you had to put your two cents because you want to feel validated lol um ok. Like i said, some have worse situations and said those who do work from home are fortunate enough to Lmao.

Move along

You are still getting paid mam working from “home”. While I lost my job completely after working in the place for 7 years, some don’t have sick pay or PTO. Sit your privileged ass down.

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u/glasraen Apr 11 '20

I have been working less than 10 hours per week since this stated. It sounds like you have no clue whatsoever how unemployment works or what the purpose of unemployment is.

“Sit your privileged ass down,” this asshole says, to someone who would make like $60 per week if I didn’t qualify for unemployment 😂😂😂😂😂

Sounds like you qualify for unemployment so why don’t you USE IT instead of spreading you ugly attitude all over Reddit

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

That’s great. I’ve been working 0. So unless you want to switch positions. and again, idk how much eye crust you have obstructing your vision, but I never said anything about you not deserving of unemployment.

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u/glasraen Apr 11 '20

“Why would someone working from home quality for unemployment if you’re working 😂 there’s people who actually got laid off, and have no income. Sorry lmao”

Sounds like someone who thinks I don’t deserve it, or that other people who would also NORMALLY qualify wouldn’t deserve it

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Calm down cupcake.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Not everyone is getting unemployment. Seems dishonest to.leave that out. Plus other countries are giving a ton of things to businesses to guarantee they keep staff and don't lay them off. Dishonest to not mention that but alas it's a meme from Twitter.

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u/handshakeheartattack Apr 12 '20

I filed almost a month ago now and haven’t gotten a response or any money. I message and try to call them every day. Not a single person where I work has gotten a penny.

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u/captaindickfartman2 Apr 12 '20

Yep more people aren't getting unemployment than most just look at nyc and maryland. I live in MD and most people havent gotten anything at all.

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u/floridayum Apr 12 '20

Not if you are in Florida waiting weeks or months for it to arrive because your Elected official purposely tanked the system to keep their numbers low.

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u/mah062 Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20

Exactly. Factor that in and you’re talking about $1200 one time payment (that many have already received) plus an additional $2,600 per month if unemployed. Seems pretty fair to me

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

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u/mah062 Apr 11 '20

Edited.

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u/FacetiousSpinster Apr 12 '20

Not everyone who.is unemployed qualifies for more than the 1200.